Minderwiz
So Saturn is my STRONGEST planet in traditional astrology? I also got a question about the dignity thing. According to modern astrology's Walter Pullen calculation, I am also Saturnian (but its my 3rd dominant and I'm primarily Plutonian followed by Solarian).
The thing is I'm also Aquarius dominant tied with Scorpio according to the calculation. At the exact same whole number percentage (14%) and only separated by decimals.
Forget Pullen or Modern systems, when looking at Hellenistic Astrology you have got to look at it in its own terms - rather like switching to Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) For a start it does not use the outer planets (just like Jyotish, even in modern times).
In terms of which is your strongest, it depends on the criteria you use. Saturn is in its own sign and in an angular house with no major debilities at all, except for a mild affliction from Mars by conjunction. Mars suffers more here, because it is less malefic than Saturn and because Saturn is earlier in the zodiac. Saturn is the stronger.
On a Medieval basis, using Ibn Ezra's calculation for Almuten (winner) of the chart, Mars comes out first and Saturn is third or fourth! Personally I'd take Saturn as the strongest planet in your chart.
Barkey Foreman said:What you stated about difficulties at home is TOTALLY TRUE (as are modern interpretations of Saturn and Mars in 4th house as well as Aquarius 4th house and Aquarian relationships with family).
Don't forget that Horoscopic Astrology orginated in Hellenistic times. It was passed on to India in the second century or so and it still forms the core of Modern Astrology, though many of its methods have been dropped and Jungian Psychology injected in their place. Unlike Jyotish, Western Astrology does not have an unbroken tradition. Currently there is a lot of effort going into recovering that tradition but there's an awful lot we still don't know or are not sure of.
Barkey Foreman said:I also have a question about the Moon-in modern astrology much of my problems can be attributed to hard aspects between Moon and the rest of the chart. In fact Moon is tied with Saturn as second dominant planet in modern astrology at the same whole number and only separated by percentages. Leo is also tied with Capricorn as my second dominant sign at 13% again separated by percentages. So the Moon is insignificant according to traditional interpretations?
The Moon signifies your very existence. It is never insignificant. You are born at night, the Moon is your sect light. It's condition and position are very important to the way you will cope with life. Unlike Modern Astrology, the Moon is seen as nearly as important as the Sun. It provides light in the Sun's absence. So having the Moon high in a nocturnal chart is good. Your Moon is Angular, so it's going to influence both your actions and your career.
Barkey Foreman said:Also what would you say are my dominant signs based on what you see on the chart? I am curious how different the dominants would be since Saturn is my primary dominant according to your reading. Would Solarian still be a strong influence?
Signs have importance only to the extent they modify the planets. They can't change the planets' basic nature, only the extent to which it manages to articulate it.
Barkey Foreman said:And based on your interpretation of Saturn, it seems I was correct afterall that I am 4th house dominant at least based on what I can find in modern astrology. What does traditional say?
The dominant or productive areas are all the houses except the second, twelfth, sixth and eighth (which are idle). The Ascendant is always the best place, whether it shows well or ill depends on its ruler and any planets in it. In your case Mars, the ruler. The angles usually follow in turn, tenth, seventh, fourth. how well you are able to use them comes back to their rulers and their tenants. For you with the IC ruler in it's own Place and the Ascendant Ruler with it. Your fourth is going to be more important than the other angles. How you cope with the affairs of this place directly affects your health and well being, mentally and physically.
Barkey Foreman said:Also what does Part of Armies in Scorpio in 1st house signify? Its should be weak in traditional because its modern ruler is lacking. But in modern astrology its POWERFUL with an almost precise conjuction only separated by seconds and its true the military has played a strong role in my life. Scorpios' traditional ruler Mars is in Aquarius so what aspects would explain why Part of Armies in Scorpio is so powerful in my life even though it lacks conjunctions to any planet? I'm more inclined to believe more in modern astrology as far as Part of Armies goes because it seems Scorpio is weak in my traditional astrology chart.
I'll deal with Lots in a later post