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Originally Posted by RohanMenon View Post
The 11th place - of the Good Daimon.

The general principle seems to be that this is overall a great sign. Benefics in the sign provide great benefits. Even malefics cannot do evil if they are "in conjunction with the Good Daimon".

Hmm does this mean that malefics can't do evil if they are in the 11th sign from ascendant? Or is 'the Good Daimon' a *point* (vs a whole sign) like the Lot of Fortune?

The ruler of the 11th rising, or having many planets aspecting it brings great benefits.
The Good Daimon is the name of the eleventh place, so it refers to the whole of a sign (assuming you are using Whole Sign Houses].

But: Firstly, Care is needed when Valens uses quadrant houses (see Book 3) because the Good Daimon refers to the eleventh place, not a sign as such. So you might find it used to describe the eleventh house in a quadrant system. Valens uses Porphry (indeed he is the first source we have for this quadrant system) but it would hold for any quadrant system.

Secondly, Valens also refers to the Lot of Spirit as the Lot of the Daimon
- a more literal translation. This is a point, and is in many ways the mirror of the Lot of Fortune. You may therefore find him referring to simply Daimon and usually he means the Lot of Spirit, not the Place of the Good Daimon (the eleventh).

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Originally Posted by RohanMenon
The tenth place - Midheaven

All planets, (both malefics and benefics) "rejoice" (??) if they are in the 10th place. especially the rulers of the Lot of Fortune, ascendant, or Daimon (which I assume, is the Lot of Spirit. This hasn't been introduced properly in the book yet).
The tenth is the second best place to be in the chart, after the Ascendant. Being there is good for any planet, though it doesn't necessarily mean that said planet is good for the native LOL. And yes, you're right, Daimon here is the Lot of Spirit.

"If any of the [benefics] are in it when rising, or if they have contact with the Moon, tyrants and kings are born, governors of districts, men known by name in many places."

Question: the 'they' in 'if they have contact' is a bit confusing.Who has contact with the Moon? The benefics? What does that have to do with the tenth specifically?[/quote]

Yes they refers to the benefics and contact with the Moon is simply that they are in aspect to it. The tenth is the culminating angle, it relates to reputation, advancement and action (and hence it's signification for career). Benefics here, suggest that the the native will establish a good reputation, secure advancement and be a 'person of action' (my phrase). Weaken this Place and you weaken the nativity to a major degree.

Note: The Moon is the intermediary between the Heavens and Earth. A good contact with the Moon from the Benefics, brings the good will of the gods

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Originally Posted by RohanMenon
Ninth Place of the God Sun

If benefics are placed here, and rule the ascendant or Lot of Fortune, then tha native will be religious ("blessed, reverent, or a prophet of the great God") or a religious leader ("will be obeyed like a God")

If benefics aren't there but Mercury is then he'll be a soothsayer (I guess we can generlize to 'interested in the occult and religion)

If malefics are present in this place and rule the ascendant or Lot of Fortune, or if they are in aspect "from the right" [1] the native will be evil/cruel ("sack cities and pillage mercilessly" )

If the Lot of Fortune or Daimon (== Lot of Spirit) happens to be in this place (9th) the native will be involved in many evils and take refuge in temples because of his desires or pains (!!)

[1] The right left thing is a little tricky. I read "from the right" as " to the left" .

I quote Minderwiz's response to an eariler question of mine when I was confused by this problem in Morin

"A preliminary point I can deal with is sinister (left) and dexter (right) aspects. In Hellenistic Astrology, which is the earliest Horoscopic Astrology it was clearly the case that an aspect cast in the direction of signs was stronger than one cast against the direction of signs. Imagine Venus in the tenth in Taurus casting an aspect to Jupiter in Virgo in the second. This aspect goes forward in the direction of signs and, as you look at the chart, that aspect is cast to the left of Venus.

Jupiter also casts a trine to Venus, but as Venus lies to the right of Jupiter, it's not as strong an sspect. So Venus is the stronger planet, ignoring essential dignity (and even stronger if you include it).

This view held right up to the time of Sahl and Masha'allah, both of whom would have said the same. Yet less than 200 years later All Biruni, in virtually a word for word. repetition of Dahl's example reaches the opposite conclusion but without explanation of the change round.

From then on Astrologers followed Al Biruni, as does Morin in these quotes. Personally, I think that at some point betweennSahl and Al Biruni, there was a miscopying (remember manuscripts were just that, hand written, and had to be copied by hand for duplication).
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And that also holds for Malefics, indeed especially so. Consider a Day chartt with Mars in Gemini in the tenth and Jupiter in Virgo in the Ascendant. Jupiter is the Benefic of Sect but not only is it in it's Detriment (alienated from home according to the Hellenistic view) but it's squared by Mars from a dominant position (Mars square is cast to its Left, in the direction of signs). Jupiter's benefic effect is more than countered by Mars' malefic effect.

This holds for any square but especially from malefics. You will see it referred to as 'on the tenth' but it simply means that if the chart is rotated, the malefic will be in a tenth house relationship to the planet it squares, which will be in a first house position.

This isn't turning the chart in the horary sense, to derive meanings, it's simply a check to ensure which planet is dominant in a square. The planet that squares in the direction of the signs, will always be the stronger one.
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