Hooked on TdM said:
Sravana: Yeah I followed your lead and compared the Classical Tarot with the 1JJ Swiss. Your right they are many many similarities! Isn't there another Italian historical deck that has Juno and Jupiter?
Umm, you got me there. I'm not sure about that... I knew you'd find those similarities interesting. Now, I'm wondering... does the Vieville do something similar with those trumps you mentioned (Sun, Moon, etc)? Oh, nevermind. I'm recalling them now, and they're very different from both the standard TdM and the Italian Soprafino type.
Hooked on TdM said:
I know it's not the Ancient Italian although that is similar to both of these too. I do love that Classical one. It's just too gorgeous for words!
It is a beaut, isn't it? (come to think of it, I may have another deck for you... PM me!)
Hooked on TdM said:
I did managed to get four card by card studies done this evening and a few draws. I'm almost done the suit of Epee! A few more days and I should be finished it. I think I'm going to work on a few comparisons with the Classical also. A bit of structure work and whola I will be done! It's sure taking me a lot longer than I expected!
Woohoo!
Hooked on TdM said:
Hooked
ETA: Migraine finally went away! Sravana your magic wand worked!
Hey, ya never know what an acupuncturist can do long-distance!
Onyx said:
I want to thank you for the warm welcome. I thought about doing an IDS back last spring with the TdM, but chickened out, Then again this summer but knew I would be too scattered. Now with The Process firmly playing on my mp3 player, my car and my computer I am ready.
Sranana, have ordered a 1JJ Swiss (which I understand the distinction between the historical TdM, but I might just try it 'cause the cards are great looking) and also the Fournier (I think? -- I know it was published in Spain and I suspect from coloring of this deck I have seen in scans that it seems unmistakable and point me to this assumption.) So it will be one or the other. I used a 1JJ very briefly early on and decided I wanted illustrated pips and passed it on to a friends. Each of the decks look great and colorful but each also seems to carry its on sense of style. I am leaning toward the Fournier as it is more standard TdM and I want to start with a firmer grasp on the standard before moving to the variant.
I have both of those decks (see below for why!) and I think they are great ones to use re: IDS. My only problem with the Fournier is that the pip's background colors don't really jive with the Classical elemental correspondences that Mel talks about: epees = fire, coupes = air, deniers = water, batons = earth. They are even different than the more common Golden Dawn (RWS/Thoth) correspondences - for instance, the background of the Coupes is red, which seems like fire to me - and the swords is blue, which I suppose could be water or air...
The 1JJ Swiss is really lovely, and is obviously a variant. I'm sure you can have fruitful discussions with Hooked, as she's been IDSing with that deck for quite a while now.
Onyx said:
I expect that it will take just a few days of using the decks and getting a feel for them and then deciding by Friday. They are being shipped priority mail and should be here by Tuesday or Wednesday. If only one has arrived by Friday then I will take that as a sign and use it. If neither has arrived by Friday then which ever arrives first.
I have started to go throught the TdM thread and it is so extensive that it is a bit mind blowing. Yet as I read the posts I am more and more certain that this is where I want to be right now.
Yes, that thread can be really intense - there is lots and *lots* of info there, and for me much of it was completely new. There is an interesting thread somewhere, where Mel did a poll - he listed the characteristics of the humors: choleric, phlegmatic, etc, and had folks list whether they thought they were swords, cups, etc. Then he revealed what element they actually were corresponding to - and the only one that people consistently got was that choleric = fire. So our understandings of the elements are very different now compared to the time of the development of the tarot. I find it all very confusing, but very interesting as well!
Time will tell if I end up using his system.
Nina* said:
Will be interesting to hear what you decide on, Onyx. TdM's can be as ''dangerous'' as other decks... suddenly you want them all.
No. effing. kidding.
My deck collection went into a mini-boom when I got involved with the TdM/pip deck thing. Off the top of my head, the only ones I'm missing now are the Dussere (or Flornoy, eventually) Dodal, and the Flornoy Jean Noblet (which doesn't appeal to me, in spite of it's extensive cheering section around here).
Onyx said:
Oh I know! I have been looking around and my initial thoughts that one unillustrated pips deck would esentially be like all the others, right?
Ummm . . . wrong! I think that there are some that are gorgeous, interesting and responsive, just from the scans!
Now add into it the desire to get a deck that is as historically correct and as close to the original then that is a whole other realm of desire. And not one that has energized my passion for RWS clones over the last couple of years. That is why I am going to be really stern with myself to keep my pledge to no new decks.
Onyx.
Good for you! I personally recommend the Hadar, if you find the colors appealing. One thing particularly nice about that deck is that the background is not stark white, but a light parchment color. It's easier on the eyes than the Jodo/Camoin (which I have in the mini, and carry around with me all the time.)
