Fulgour
Vintage
How To Consult The I Ching
Alfred Douglas
http://www.fetchbook.info/
0425034704
0425021548
1121441122
How To Consult The I Ching
Alfred Douglas
http://www.fetchbook.info/
0425034704
0425021548
1121441122
Just curious about I Ching readers
bradford
Hi all-
I just had to speak up here. This is a really great list for Tarot questions.
But nobody here knows Diddly Squat about the Yijing and there's a lot of bad advice and suggestions getting posted on these forums. There's some good stuff in the archives if you know where to look but nobody wants to bother using the search engine, so the same old stuff gets repeated ad nauseum. To actually hear someone recommend Diane Stein's "I Ching for Stupid Angry Lesbians" was the last straw for me.
You really should go to a good Yijing site for advice on this subject. Preferably one put together by someone who knows the book in the original Chinese. I personally would start by taking the free tutorial at Clarity, and reading the book reviews there and at the Steve Marshall / Joel Birocco site.
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/index.html
http://www.biroco.com/yijing/
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/yi_index.html
I don't recommend my own site for beginners, but there is a great bibliography here:
http://www.hermetica.info/F-YiBib.htm
I just had to speak up here. This is a really great list for Tarot questions.
But nobody here knows Diddly Squat about the Yijing and there's a lot of bad advice and suggestions getting posted on these forums. There's some good stuff in the archives if you know where to look but nobody wants to bother using the search engine, so the same old stuff gets repeated ad nauseum. To actually hear someone recommend Diane Stein's "I Ching for Stupid Angry Lesbians" was the last straw for me.
You really should go to a good Yijing site for advice on this subject. Preferably one put together by someone who knows the book in the original Chinese. I personally would start by taking the free tutorial at Clarity, and reading the book reviews there and at the Steve Marshall / Joel Birocco site.
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/index.html
http://www.biroco.com/yijing/
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/yi_index.html
I don't recommend my own site for beginners, but there is a great bibliography here:
http://www.hermetica.info/F-YiBib.htm
Sheri
This was probably not the way to go...
I tried I Ching with a kit I bought at Barnes and Noble. It came with yarrow stalks. I liked it but it seemed to take a long time to do a reading.
valeria
I tried I Ching with a kit I bought at Barnes and Noble. It came with yarrow stalks. I liked it but it seemed to take a long time to do a reading.
valeria
thinbuddha
Beginner getting something out of your site
Thanks for the info Bradford. I actually stumbled across your site on my own looking for translations that I could read, and I am finding your "Introduction" and "History" sections very helpful in forming a picture of "what's going on in the world of I Ching". It never really occured to me that the translations would be so wildly different from one another.
I just started looking at your (non-matrix) translation today, very breifly, and found myself..... needing a little more time and attention than I could spare it at the moment
I finally ordered the Thomas Cleary translation (mostly because I like the packaging of the Shambahla books and because I saw it in bold in your bibliography.) The reviews on Amazon were mixed, so I'm not sure what to expect- but it's a place to start.
Thanks for the reference links- I have seen a great number of sites- at least 90% of them were useless. Clarity was one I've spent some time looking at, but I hadn't come across the others yet.
bradford said:
Thanks for the info Bradford. I actually stumbled across your site on my own looking for translations that I could read, and I am finding your "Introduction" and "History" sections very helpful in forming a picture of "what's going on in the world of I Ching". It never really occured to me that the translations would be so wildly different from one another.
I just started looking at your (non-matrix) translation today, very breifly, and found myself..... needing a little more time and attention than I could spare it at the moment
I finally ordered the Thomas Cleary translation (mostly because I like the packaging of the Shambahla books and because I saw it in bold in your bibliography.) The reviews on Amazon were mixed, so I'm not sure what to expect- but it's a place to start.
Thanks for the reference links- I have seen a great number of sites- at least 90% of them were useless. Clarity was one I've spent some time looking at, but I hadn't come across the others yet.
Alta
Thanks bradford and I appreciate your post and references. I have Stein's book and it only still remains because I find it hard to throw out books.
And I agree, no one here really knows much about it because most of us are tarot people, but appreciate help!
And I agree, no one here really knows much about it because most of us are tarot people, but appreciate help!
Fulgour
I do!bradford said:
I do! I know diddly squat!*
did·dly-squat also did·dly·squat
n. Slang
A small or worthless amount.
[Alteration of diddlysh*t (influenced by doodly-squat)
diddly (probably from diddle2) + sh*t, an intensive.]
diddle2 : To jerk up and down or back and forth.
poivre
Sorry...
my post means Diddly Squat.
Mods can delete if you wish.
No offence taken.
ros
my post means Diddly Squat.
Mods can delete if you wish.
No offence taken.
ros
Rainbow Aurora
Hmmmm... I would hate to think I was posting bad advicebradford said:
to others. Whilst I have quite a good number of I Ching..
sorry~ Yijing, books I do use my Alfred Douglas copy quite
a lot and think of him as a respected Author I am glad to
see he is listed in the bibliography site quoted.
Rainbow
Sophie
LOL. Ditto for me and the bad adviceRainbow Aurora said:
. I am enjoying Stephen Karcher's rather strange translation - used alongside Wilhelm's and Master Huang's, for contrast - but my real reference is a book in French, by Javary and Faure, which is considered THE reference in French for translation and commentary. Sadly, however, it is not in the bibliography, which is monoglot (in English). But nobody's perfect, even people who do know diddly squat about Yi Jing or I-Ching or the Book of Changes Of course, if I were really serious, I'd learn ancient Chinese.
bradford
The Douglas book is a fair, if slightly dated rendering. It's a decent version.
Karcher is a little too deconstruuctionist for me - I like to think that the authors were actually trying to convey intended meanings in coherent sentences.
Lest anyone think I'm anti-feminist, Barbara Walker (who also wrote The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects and The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets) wrote a fairly deep and articulate book on the Yi from that perspective -- I Ching of the Goddess. Only it isn't a translation and it doesn't have the line texts. She represents the bright, smokin' hot lesbians.
Karcher is a little too deconstruuctionist for me - I like to think that the authors were actually trying to convey intended meanings in coherent sentences.
Lest anyone think I'm anti-feminist, Barbara Walker (who also wrote The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects and The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets) wrote a fairly deep and articulate book on the Yi from that perspective -- I Ching of the Goddess. Only it isn't a translation and it doesn't have the line texts. She represents the bright, smokin' hot lesbians.
