Some Comments on Reading Style - How do you Roll?

pluto'sapprentice258

I just wanted to post a comment on your reading style. I like it, would like to know what book you got this from, if not from a book, are you able to start a thread on your reading techniques. that would be great thanks.

Hi, everyone! :D

Following the amazing response to my thread, Quick -Fire Lenormand Questions Answered in Pairs, which is still open, (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=206385) I thought I would take La Force up on her offer of writing a thread on reading style :D Great idea, La Force, and thanks again for the encouragement!

Several members have complemented me on this 'style', so I want to share the mechanisms behind the readings I've been doing for you - what I'm looking for, why I 'burn' a card, why I use numerology, and why I feel that's important.

I'd love this thread to spark discussions with you all about your own unique styles - what works, what techniques you have tried then omitted over time, and how your own styles have evolved with you?

Get posting guys, I can't wait to hear how similar yet different we all are! :D

The following method is an amalgamation of theories and techniques -gleaned from numerous sources - that I have adapted for my own use when reading pairs of Lenormand cards. The added depth comes from observing as many themes and elements as possible.

Now I'll take you step-by-step through what I've been doing on the thread:

Firstly, I shuffle, for as long as I need to...my hands tell me when to stop. I like the word 'shuffle', because it connotes randomness, but I think what we actually do when we shuffle is to 'arrange' the cards :D I feel that the hands, working with the subconscious, place the cards, very specifically, into the exact positions needed for the best reading, (despite the illusion of randomness created by the shuffling action.)

I ask my question in my head, and send it out through my hands and fingertips. Sometimes, my solar plexus will buzz, so I shuffle the cards held a few inches away from it.
This is how I 'link in' to the question, and the situation I'm reading about. I believe this concentrated asking of the question clearly imbues it into the cards.
I then shuffle silently, having cemented the question into the shuffling action, until I feel it is time to stop.

I'm a Poker player :) I just adore Texas Hold 'Em. Depending on how and where you're playing, some believe it is customary to 'burn' certain cards from the pack, and not include them in game play.
When I began reading Tarot, this habit of burning a card naturally and instinctively transferred over from Poker. I think it's because in Poker, you aren't allowed to see the 'burn' card, but with Tarot, I'm able to look at it, to finally break the taboo! :)
I noticed that the 'burn' card would always have a poignant message, numerical significance, or embody the overall 'theme' of the reading.
It occurred to me that that burn card would have otherwise been the first card of the reading, so of course, it's logical to reason that it will have some relevance to what's being asked of the cards.

The 'burn' card is now a standard custom in all my readings, Tarot or Lenormand. I always acknowledge it, and love how it adds an extra dimension to the reading. It reminds me of how words are borrowed from other languages then become integrated and adapted to expand the diversity of communication. Cards are versatile, and so are the customs associated with them - you can make just about anything work for you. Take that leap of faith, and be creative. :D

When the burn card has been turned I deal the pair. Let's use a fictional question with an example pair, (I will not include a burn card for this example, just the pair.)

Let's say the question is - "How can I best support A during this time of change?"

And the pair is...

31 - The Sun
28 - The Man

Firstly, scan for certain themes within the pair -

:love: Are there any Court Cards, if so, which ones?
:love: What is the cartomancy at work within each card?
:love: Are there numerical trends?
:love: Which cards are 'fast' and which are 'slow'?
:love: What are the cards 'doing' to each other, e.g, speeding up, slowing down, hampering, improving?
:love: How does the pair's message relate back to the question?
:love: What is the pair's numerical reduction? (i.e, 3 + 1 + 2 + 8 = 14; 1 + 4 = 5), and
:love: Which Tarot card does this numerical reduction correspond to?

So, what do we notice first? For a start, we have no Court Cards, but we have the neutral Man significator - this tells us we are totally concerned with a man. We can see we have two Aces here, so this tells us straight away something must be initiated. We know this, as the question asked how support can be offered; the Aces indicate that initiation, vitality and new opportunities are key to best supporting A.
It may be that A needs this support due to feelings of apathy, so encouraging A to initiate this 'stepping out into the light', so to speak, could be another theme here. The cards say, "don't let A stagnate - keep moving!"

The Ace of Diamonds in the Sun describes movement, trips, new things and visitors - it is saying that A needs energy, to get out and about, to move around and socialise. The Sun is communicating that the area where action is needed is the Man, and the Ace of Hearts is the theme - A needs support to experience joy, satisfaction and happiniss during this period of change in his life.
The pair could also be telling us that A's friend, the one who wants to offer support, can do so with winning charisma and by drawing energy from his own resources.
The Ace of Hearts in the Man is about joy, happiness, satisfaction and contentment, which is how A should feel once this pair's message is initialised.

It is important in Lenormand (and Tarot!) to bring everything back to the question. Maybe, A just needs to get out more and enjoy life; this could be the best support this particular friend can offer at present. Getting a man 'out there', 'exposed', is the message,and it would be up to the friend who asked the question to initiate the change. Another angle to consider is the pair representing the friend, also - the charismatic, energetic man who will be the source of A's support?

The Sun is a very vibrant, positive card. The Man is a male. The pair says A needs to feel positive again, which will be an achievement and bring him personal success. This achievement may be reached with the support of another, charismatic, energetic man. Either way, it's about men supporting each other, moving around and exposure.

During the analysis, I make note of the double Ace energy, so I note action and initiation.
I note that there are no Court Cards present, which represent people involved in the situation -and depending of the Court, the overriding energies surrounding the situation - however here, we have the Man, so we know this concerns a man, or male companions.

Numerololgy adds a new dimension to a reading for me; it's another overriding energy, inherent in the cards' message, which can provide further insight.
The reduction for this example pair is 5.

I couldn't have asked for a better example :D As Tarotists in particular will know, 5 can be a tricky number. It is generally regarded as an unstable number, and the instability experienced when rules, conformity or experience stiffle and inhibit us. It is also a versatile number, representing communication and opening up, group teachings and change. In Tarot, it relates to the Hierophant - his message is one of traditional rules and ceremony, higher values and group meetings.

For this particular reading, 5 suggests that A has been feeling unstable, perhaps unable to communicate. The positive expression of this particular pair hints towards versatility, and A being able to open up and experience the more positive aspects of the 5 energy. 5 is also at the centre of the feeling plane, representing the need for courage, change, and creative adventure.

I really hope this is the sort of thing you had in mind, La Force, and that this information will be useful to you and other readers! If there's anything you'd like me to add or elaborate upon, please do ask.

I can't wait to hear all your own methods, ideas and techniques guys, so get posting! :D

much love,

little p
 

La Force

Hi, everyone! :D

Following the amazing response to my thread, Quick -Fire Lenormand Questions Answered in Pairs, which is still open, (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=206385) I thought I would take La Force up on her offer of writing a thread on reading style :D Great idea, La Force, and thanks again for the encouragement!

I really hope this is the sort of thing you had in mind, La Force, and that this information will be useful to you and other readers! If there's anything you'd like me to add or elaborate upon, please do ask.

much love,

little p

Your sooo very welcome . I am soooo stoked that you took me up on my suggestion. You banged it right on the head, this is what I was looking for. thank you. I am so going to sink my teeth into this. I have tarot, numerology, cartomancy already under my belt, so this suits me perfect.

I may have some questions, I am going sit down tonight and play around with this technique. bbl :)

Thank you :) I :heart: it.

La Force
 

pluto'sapprentice258

Your sooo very welcome . I am soooo stoked that you took me up on my suggestion. You banged it right on the head, this is what I was looking for. thank you. I am so going to sink my teeth into this. I have tarot, numerology, cartomancy already under my belt, so this suits me perfect.

I may have some questions, I am going sit down tonight and play around with this technique. bbl :)

Thank you :) I :heart: it.

La Force

Fantastic!! :D Oh, I'm so glad. And thank you for the idea, I'd never have come up with this on my own :)

Have fun tonight with your cards my dear, I can't wait to hear how you get on! If you have any questions don't hesitate to post them or PM me.

Perhaps this thread will continue as a kind of workshop, as we all experiment with each other's ideas and techniques? That would be coooooooool! :D :love:

Catch up soon,

little p
 

Padma

Hey Other LP! ;)

SO glad you began this thread. I admire both you and La Force for knowing what the cartomancy meanings are - I am trying to learn that, but I feel so stymied by the (to me) blank faces of playing cards. So already I am missing a layer with Lenormand, because I don't really know what the playing cards insert mean, truly. I keep studying it though, I just wish it would stick! I think because there are no pictures on playing cards, and I never was any good at math or numbers, my mind throws up mental blocks -

I love how you described your process, how you determine what it is about even before you begin! That's a great idea, looking at fast/slow etc.

I love this thread! Please share more :) I am struggling with pairing, myself, although overall I do find my gut picks up a lot...and I am beginning to truly grasp the "first card ignites the next card" thang. But I still struggle sometimes. For some odd reason, tarot seemed SO much easier to learn that the Lenormands, so much more intuitive! I find there are so many rigid systems in place for the Lenormand, and so many of them, that I get lost - and then I cannot see the forest, for the trees. And a lot of the rigid systems do not ring true with my gut. So I am having a small problem with that...

Thanks again for beginning this! If you could help me with any of my issues with pairing, wow, I'd be so happy! :D Though in general, I am still happy - I am preparing to sit back, read and learn. I love your approach and I love your super-friendly self :) It makes learning that much more fun! :love:

ETA: PS La Force - thanks SO much for asking Little P to do this! :heart: It was a GREAT idea!
 

pluto'sapprentice258

Hey Other LP! ;)

SO glad you began this thread. I admire both you and La Force for knowing what the cartomancy meanings are - I am trying to learn that, but I feel so stymied by the (to me) blank faces of playing cards. So already I am missing a layer with Lenormand, because I don't really know what the playing cards insert mean, truly. I keep studying it though, I just wish it would stick! I think because there are no pictures on playing cards, and I never was any good at math or numbers, my mind throws up mental blocks -

I love how you described your process, how you determine what it is about even before you begin! That's a great idea, looking at fast/slow etc.

I love this thread! Please share more :) I am struggling with pairing, myself, although overall I do find my gut picks up a lot...and I am beginning to truly grasp the "first card ignites the next card" thang. But I still struggle sometimes. For some odd reason, tarot seemed SO much easier to learn that the Lenormands, so much more intuitive! I find there are so many rigid systems in place for the Lenormand, and so many of them, that I get lost - and then I cannot see the forest, for the trees. And a lot of the rigid systems do not ring true with my gut. So I am having a small problem with that...

Thanks again for beginning this! If you could help me with any of my issues with pairing, wow, I'd be so happy! :D Though in general, I am still happy - I am preparing to sit back, read and learn. I love your approach and I love your super-friendly self :) It makes learning that much more fun! :love:

ETA: PS La Force - thanks SO much for asking Little P to do this! :heart: It was a GREAT idea!

Hey LP the 1st! :D :love:

I was stoked when La Force asked for this, I thought it was a brilliant idea. Plus, I'd never analysed my particular reading process, so the Scorpio in me just loved organising that into a procedure! :D
I'm so glad it's useful, I really am - I love it that we all share here! :) My Tarot/Lenormand education has been a rather solitary pursuit, until now! Long live AT! :D :heart:

Oh, LP, I hear you - the faces of the playing cards are blank. I've often wondered how hefty a load of intuition one would need to muster in order to interpret them, and them alone.
I intend to learn all cartomancy meanings in time, happy that the first 36 have registered already, though I'm not sure how I'll take to cartomancy after the excitement of Tarot and Lenormand! :D

I've also never had a head for numbers. I bullied myself out of my aversion to numbers because I desperately wanted to get my head around natal chart casting, so the confidence from that encouraged me to look further into numerology. I'm not as frightened as I used to be, and I still count on my fingers,but hey - it works! :D

I think I'll post another thread with the cartomancy meanings of the Lenormand included, so there's a reference for everyone and a place to share ideas, opinions and questions.

May I ask LP, which Lenormand deck do you use? I (mainly) use the French Cartomancy deck, with the inserts. I find decks without a cartomancy reference of some sort rather difficult to read with, as it is not second nature yet to know all the meanings as fluently as the meanings of the cards themselves. When the cartomancy reference is not present, I feel my readings become a bit flat, and I quickly need other references to jog my memory.

Regards feeling hampered by rigid systems, LP, my best advice to you is to be as intuitive with Lenormand as you are with your Tarot. Yes, there are certain 'non-negotiables', like the right-hand card of the pair describes the left card, but for me, that's where it ends. I read what I see, and I cross-reference it with what I feel, so that head and heart are in agreement. ALWAYS trust your gut :)

Another titbit of advice with pairing is to remember that together, they'll form a phrase or new concept by communicating with each other.
Consider the first card alone, then match it to its pair and consider it again - how are they modifying each other? What is the new theme? Is there a new speed? Are there people involved (Court Cards), if so, who?

Hope that's good for now :)

I SO admire that you find Tarot more fluent than this. I struggle with Tarot sometimes; I often feel I'm missing something huge - perhaps you'd help me with some of my issues? :love: :D
Since I found Lenormand poor old Tarot's been on the back-burner, though I do like to use them together sometimes...now THAT would be an interesting thread for us to start soon!

I'd love to help you with this 'pairing' issue, LP. What is it exactly that isn't sitting well with you when pairing up? Is it certain pairs, the ones that just don't seem to mean anything? (I can't think of one off the top of my head but they're out there! Any takers?!) :D

love
little p
 

La Force

Okay, I am uploading a picture of 3 cards from my deck, for Lotus and LP. The reason is that I choose these particular cards from my deck, cause they are simple, not only do they depict the card insert, but the imagery that I choose reflects it. Both cartomancy and lenormand meanings are in the images.

The cards are attached.

6. Clouds (King of Clubs)- there's a light side (left) and dark side (right) you draw an invisible line right down the centre of the card.

28. Man (Ace of Hearts)
29. Lady (Ace of Spades)

so similar to tarot, look at the images. what do you see?

ie: 29. Lady (Ace of Spades) ask your self who and when would someone wear black? and what for?

La Force
 

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Padma

Hey LP the 1st! :D :love:

I was stoked when La Force asked for this, I thought it was a brilliant idea. Plus, I'd never analysed my particular reading process, so the Scorpio in me just loved organising that into a procedure! :D
I'm so glad it's useful, I really am - I love it that we all share here! :) My Tarot/Lenormand education has been a rather solitary pursuit, until now! Long live AT! :D :heart:

You're so cool! :D And yes - sharing would be awesome!



Oh, LP, I hear you - the faces of the playing cards are blank. I've often wondered how hefty a load of intuition one would need to muster in order to interpret them, and them alone.
I intend to learn all cartomancy meanings in time, happy that the first 36 have registered already, though I'm not sure how I'll take to cartomancy after the excitement of Tarot and Lenormand! :D

Thanks for that - glad it is not just me! This is so reassuring!

I've also never had a head for numbers. I bullied myself out of my aversion to numbers because I desperately wanted to get my head around natal chart casting, so the confidence from that encouraged me to look further into numerology. I'm not as frightened as I used to be, and I still count on my fingers,but hey - it works! :D

This is interesting, as I got out of astrology because of all the math! Maybe there is hope for me yet...

I think I'll post another thread with the cartomancy meanings of the Lenormand included, so there's a reference for everyone and a place to share ideas, opinions and questions.

YES please do so! :love:

May I ask LP, which Lenormand deck do you use? I (mainly) use the French Cartomancy deck, with the inserts. I find decks without a cartomancy reference of some sort rather difficult to read with, as it is not second nature yet to know all the meanings as fluently as the meanings of the cards themselves. When the cartomancy reference is not present, I feel my readings become a bit flat, and I quickly need other references to jog my memory.

I am currently using Seven Stars' Lenormand recreation of a German deck, I think? Looks like the LoS one. It has playing card symbols on the borders, and a poesie insert. If you google Seven Stars on Etsy, you will soon see it. She is a member here, makes loads of cool decks! ;)

Regards feeling hampered by rigid systems, LP, my best advice to you is to be as intuitive with Lenormand as you are with your Tarot. Yes, there are certain 'non-negotiables', like the right-hand card of the pair describes the left card, but for me, that's where it ends. I read what I see, and I cross-reference it with what I feel, so that head and heart are in agreement. ALWAYS trust your gut :)

Nice to know. Funny, I always tell others the same thing - trust your gut! :D

Another titbit of advice with pairing is to remember that together, they'll form a phrase or new concept by communicating with each other.
Consider the first card alone, then match it to its pair and consider it again - how are they modifying each other? What is the new theme? Is there a new speed? Are there people involved (Court Cards), if so, who?

Hope that's good for now :)

Yup, that is a good start, thanks!

I SO admire that you find Tarot more fluent than this. I struggle with Tarot sometimes; I often feel I'm missing something huge - perhaps you'd help me with some of my issues? :love: :D

I can do tarot on my head, with my eyes closed. ;) It's that comfortable for me, but I cannot say if others find it super-accurate! I'd say I was a middle of the road reader. I do tend to pick up details others miss...If I can help you in any way, please don't hesitate to ask! I'd be so happy to return the gesture to you :)

Since I found Lenormand poor old Tarot's been on the back-burner, though I do like to use them together sometimes...now THAT would be an interesting thread for us to start soon!

AWESOME idea. I personally know many here who work both systems together - I will often use three Lenormands with three tarots...I find the Lens give an awesome "in between the lines" aspect to the tarot reading...

I'd love to help you with this 'pairing' issue, LP. What is it exactly that isn't sitting well with you when pairing up? Is it certain pairs, the ones that just don't seem to mean anything? (I can't think of one off the top of my head but they're out there! Any takers?!) :D

love
little p

It is certain pairs that leave me blank - the Child card is almost meaningless to me, so it is hard to pair it up...for instance, Child and Tower. Or the opposite. Means nothing much more than "Daycare" to me :p The obvious pairs, like Rider and oh say Heart, or Coffin, are much more meaningful! I have troubles with Lily, Child, Tower, and Garden, mostly. They seem so blank to me. I found I did better at guessing what they meant via intuition, before I learned the Lenormand system of meanings!

Thank you for your interest in my questions, LP, and your willingness to help! I really appreciate it! :heart:
 

pluto'sapprentice258

Okay, I am uploading a picture of 3 cards from my deck, for Lotus and LP. The reason is that I choose these particular cards from my deck, cause they are simple, not only do they depict the card insert, but the imagery that I choose reflects it. Both cartomancy and lenormand meanings are in the images.

The cards are attached.

6. Clouds (King of Clubs)- there's a light side (left) and dark side (right) you draw an invisible line right down the centre of the card.

28. Man (Ace of Hearts)
29. Lady (Ace of Spades)

so similar to tarot, look at the images. what do you see?

ie: 29. Lady (Ace of Spades) ask your self who and when would someone wear black? and what for?

La Force

Oh, La Force, these cards - they're STUNNING! Which deck, pray, is this? I :heart: it!

Ok, so in the Clouds I see protection - a protective male (although a young boy), representative also of the King's legacy. I also see duality, the balancing of opposing forces -light and dark, masculine and feminine - and the Clouds are also connected to the lungs, an organ associated to the air element, and Gemini - these children could be twins, perhaps?

Absolutely divine :)

Man and his best friend, how lovely :D Is this symbolic also of masculine authority? The dog is a friend, a loyal companion, but also a subordinate - is this resonant of the 'traditional' male role? Also so interesting how the man is turned from away from the 'window' of the card, but the dog is in view. Both seem content; they move together.

This Lady card is also beautiful. The cartomancy suggests contracts and opportunities. The Lady wears black...has she been widowed, inheriting her husband's estate, which would entail contracts and indeed opportunities for her, having now been freed from a subordinate role?

Thanks so much for sharing these, La Force! Can't wait for your feedback on this!!

love
little p
 

Padma

Okay, I am uploading a picture of 3 cards from my deck, for Lotus and LP. The reason is that I choose these particular cards from my deck, cause they are simple, not only do they depict the card insert, but the imagery that I choose reflects it. Both cartomancy and lenormand meanings are in the images.

The cards are attached.

6. Clouds (King of Clubs)- there's a light side (left) and dark side (right) you draw an invisible line right down the centre of the card.

28. Man (Ace of Hearts)
29. Lady (Ace of Spades)

so similar to tarot, look at the images. what do you see?

ie: 29. Lady (Ace of Spades) ask your self who and when would someone wear black? and what for?

La Force

La Force, I will get back to you tomorrow on this :)! Thanks for sharing it - I don't have my reading head on now! :p Anyways, I am sure the the Little P will have a better take on it than I could! ;)

ETA Never mind, I see Little P has answered already, loL!
 

Padma

Little P, La Force created that lovely deck herself! :heart: