Hi Helvetica, Hi All ....
I am getting through one post at a time here. Maybe this is part of my journey - to learn to type faster (LOL), but it has taught me to use the quote function - finally!!!!
Helvetica said:
Some of the details in your dream are different from mine - specifically the dirt/dingy aspects; and the carpet. So I would devise the environmental column for myself differently - same pattern, different attributes. Let me know how it works. I have not a clue how to use Sabian symbols, far less how to match them with Tarot. It might be too complex for me, but with your help I can manage it. It would be interesting to see them from individual persepectives - and to see where they match.
Helvetica, I have tried to design the spread so that when you have your book and cards we can cross reference some of the placements. I think - if I am right - they will reflect some similarities. If you think that anything should be added or changed in the spread, please let me know. I have tried to head it so that we may be able to both lay our dream somehow into this reference. The placement of the Tarot cards in the spread I have no doubt will be relevant to the symbols and not 'difficult' to interpret as a whole. I will also be using the Majors to do this. I am trying to reach the 'Greater Secrets' using the tarot and the majors in these positions and then suppliment their meaning with the written messages from the Symbols.
Helvetica said:
ended rather fuzzily last December;
I am still searching like a foxhound for correlations to timimg, I am was curious if your December incident would have been around about the 26th - 31st of December? That when I sabotaged and sacrificed my current way of life. I seriously had my breakdown over those days in my car, driving up and down the coast of NSW hysterically looking for a place to hide. It was one of the most intense incidents of my life. The energy was unbelievable. I was so sensitive to the environment I could feel and hear the air 'breath'. I wasn't even aware of the Tsunami disaster. I was so distracted with myself and the world was a scary place.
I think the astrological association is strong here. I am wondering if there are some similarities in our charts, but I have no idea astrologically about my details. It seems to have been the overall planetary influence - as Lynda has pointed out.
Helvetica said:
Both these were with men who were still attached - through anger and wariness - to women they had left some time before.
also you said.....
Not a lover, but very close. But he's married and had a child, so effectively, emotionally he's moved away and does not need me as he once did.
Similar circumstances of our men folk. My situation was with a person who was still bickering with his wife after being divorced for seven years. I had never been with somebody who had been married before. When I left, his children had come to stay for the holidays. We had many a discussion about him not being able to be 'released' from his situation. He was extremely bitter about this. He had other responsibilities from a past relationship (marriage) he still had not sorted out.
Helvetica said:
So I am rather a hermit these days, not socialising much, and not dating. I need to see what's wrong before I risk myself again, because there are too many repeated and bad patterns in my love relationships. I don't know if any of this is relevant to my dream.
I understand that perfectly. Thats why I am here to some degree. Hiding in my cave with my cats, my tarot books, my symbols, my paintings, my beading and my cigarettes and cups of tea. I am yet to socialize in my area - though I live in a blessed part of the world which supports the healing process I am going through. The air here is crisp and beautiful!!!
Helvetica said:
Now I am preparing to close the "humanitarian" chapter - and I am resisting with all my body and soul, because it means so much to me and I feel like I am betraying the cause. So I think there is some displaced hanging on here. I don't want to return to the field, and I don't want to move on so...But there is also much accumulated pain and heartbreak associated with that period of my life (the humanitarian) and I would not be suprised that that pain was reflected in the dream.
Sometimes there comes a time where we let go voluntarily because the cause will forever be there, and we can only give so much of ourselves without the cause destroying us. This is how I see it as I have been in this situation. Not long ago I left an organization in which I had fought hard for the rights of a sub culture for about 7 years. I worked tirelessly, often using my own money to support the cause. I worked my day job and then at night (any spare time) as an 'Outreach' worker on the streets of Kings Cross in Sydney and Cabramatta. These places are often dangerous and although it cannot compare with what I have heard from you about the places and situations you have been in and seen, these places have their own horrors and realities which I faced everytime I went out there onto the street. Murders, bashings, rape, kidnapping, corruption, overdose, homelessness, displacement, poverty, lack of services and understanding, fear and hopelessness. I could go on and on! I did whatever I could, but there came a time when I just wore to a grinding halt and knew that it was time to move on. When I described in another thread about 'Places' (your post in Spirituality), I was talking of this place. Packing it up and putting it behind me. It was a painful disconnection and a decision which I had to make - for the benefit of my health and my sanity. I dont have regret, I have memories and friends there. A sense that what I spent a portion of my life trying to achieve - was accomplished. Since leaving these areas, I have recently been asked back to do another project for them. I even posted this in the reading section some weeks ago, as I was at a loss of whether to take the job or not. But I couldnt do it. As much as I am still passionate about the cause - my part is complete for now. I am too worn out to go back and yet it leaves me in all kinds of financial worry. I also feel I am betraying my 'sisters', but I know deep down they understand. I have burnt my bridges, but I lit the match. I remain firm on my new path - where ever it leads me. I truely understand this!
Just to add: my partner was involved in the same type of outreach work but in another State. We came together due to the common 'cause'. He also broke down from the workload and left it very discouraged.
Helvetica said:
I am in limbo not only in my love life - but in my life in general - that is: in my professional & love lives; in my emotional life; in my soul-life (does that make sense?). But it is not a passive limbo, so perhaps "limbo" is the wrong word. The cards I associate this state with are the 4 of Swords and the 7 of Pentacle. I am resting and reassessing. I know that the 8 of cups is just round the corner....
This is where you are and somehow it seems as this is where you should be also. The universe is guiding you and helping set your course. I dont need to mention my 'magic carpet' correlation here.
Helvetica said:
I was bowled over by what Lynda wrote - here and in the April Month of Karma thread (inthe Astrology section), which I commented on. I think our past is a teacher. And I do think the ancestors have much to teach us.
I hope I am being a good student!!! Maybe I should give the teacher an apple to get on the good side of all this!(LOL)..oh oh.. apples!!???
Helvetica said:
Aquarius 5: A Council of Ancestors Has Been Called to Guide a Man.
Ancestors were always present at great rites of initiation, rites of passage: they helped the neophyte across the threshhold. I think they have their place - by their "active absent presence" perhaps - in my dream, and perhas Elven's too. As I already stated elsewhere I believe this to be a deeply initiatory dream, redolent with myth - a true rite of passage. Perhaps that is a direction we can explore in understanding the connection between my and Elven's dream - and between me and Elven: rites of passage are lived through both individually and collectively.
Theres is nothing I can say to this but agree whole heartedly. There maybe some incident we are talking about which gel and seem similar - I suppose I could find a lot of similarities with anyone, but I find these correlations significant. Yes, they are life experiences - but most if not all of them come from a conscious choice I have made. I am not thrown into these situations as much as I have decided to experience the lifeforce which every one of these experience contains. What have I been preparing for? I feel I am at the gate again knocking. I am waiting for instruction and once again will need to make relevant choices concerning the next journey - like it or not!
I have many thoughts regarding the dream and a trying to keep it relevant and proportional. There are many things I dont understand - especially the astrological influences in general - and I am so grateful for Lyndas comments on this thread - Thankyou Lynda - and to all those that have posted.
I will now try to attend to some more here. My typing is picking up quite nicely now.
Blessings to you all
Elven x
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