Marseilles Pips meanings?

Tindak Bungtod

I'm more accustomed to reading using RWS tarots but how about Marseilles? Any ideas how to read the pip cards (also reversals) using numerology?

Although there are some similarities with the RWS, do I really have to use my intution as regards the Marseilles?

Need help.

thanks
 

Fulgour

Hello Tindak Bungtod

Tindak Bungtod said:
Although there are some similarities with the RWS, do I
really have to use my intution as regards the Marseilles?
I can not stop myself from feeling what I do
when I read the Tarot. It is always different
and each experience is new. Trust Yourself.

*

Reading numbers as reversals is an interesting problem.
Since numbers will change by addition and subtraction,
to be direct and simple, adding up or subtracting down
might be a way to see numbers as upright or reversed.

The energy up to reach 5 would be its upright power~
and the energy moving down from 5 its reversed force.

Anything like this would be your own experience of the
cards you are reading and how you feel is what counts.
 

Fulgour

enjoy (and use) all of your experiences

Tindak Bungtod said:
I'm more accustomed to reading using RWS tarots but how about Marseilles?
Tarot is more than any one deck~
it's not a monochrome experience,
it is all the colours of the rainbow.
 

euripides

Fulgour's thoughts are worth holding onto. But if you're anything like me you might wish for a more tangible starting place.

I've only just now been asking the same question as you, in a different way.

I've been reading them intuitively, but sometimes calling on my Rider Waite memory...

I've spent some time today reading about numbers and their meaning. For example: five, in some cultures signifying humanity - the head, hands and feet - think of Leonardo's Vetruvian Man. Five fingers: five was the first set of counting numbers. Five is two and three... to me that suggests something unbalanced.

In the thread where I asked this question,

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=69293

JMD suggested forgetting the Elements too, for they are something 'added' to the cards, and considering the swords, cups, staves and coins as things in themselves. What do they signify? How do we feel about them?

best
Euri
 

Fulgour

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euripides said:
JMD suggested forgetting the Elements too, for they are something 'added' to the cards, and considering the swords, cups, staves and coins as things in themselves. What do they signify? How do we feel about them?
I think it was really that bâtons coupes d'épées deniers
were added to the elements, to provide a symbolic key.

But I have read jmd's discourse on implements again,
and again, but still would appreciate if he explained it.

How would something like that work in a Tarot reading,
which is I am sure what jmd had in mind, card reading.
 

euripides

ah, perhaps I misunderstood.

JMD, would you care to elaborate?
 

euripides

though I think, the abstract arises from the concrete, generally.

I suppose the idea of the elements had been around for longer... then when finally put into a symbolic form, represented by a symbol.... perhaps it is coming full circle?
 

Tindak Bungtod

how accurate is this?

I read this from somewhere and jotted it down in my journal, I'm I on the right track with this regarding the pip cards?

1. beginning, action
2. duality, opposition, choice
3. activity, movement, messenger
4. the matter has been realized, made firm, an omen of success
5. renewal, understanding, learning, struggle
6. test, putting to proof, sacrifice, an omen of success
7. power, positive transformation
8. change, problems, fear of danger
9. end & beginning of something new, a new cycle
10. evolution, success, good outcome, hope

I also read, I honestly forgot which source, that I should tie the pip cards with the 1st 10 Major Arcana meanings.

As for the pips, generally, I should use the general characteristics of the Wands, Swords, Cups and Pentacles, i.e, spiritual realm, intellect, emotions, material realm, in that particular order.

Any comments on my findings? I need some affirmation hehe

Many thanks in advance.
 

Tindak Bungtod

reversals ?

Now as for reversals, should I interpret them as the opposite of the upright meanings or simply a diminution of such meaning? Like for example, a Rx Ace of Wands would simply mean, a delay regarding matters of creativity or to a certain extent, the absence of such creativity?