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I've some problems with Konrad Bollstatter
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/richard.byrn1/1aWebpages/RFMB/htm/Losbuch.htm
who according this link compiled in ca. 25 years a sort of Losbuch.
Inside the system is something like "16 kings" ... as far I remember, it's said, that in the book of Lorenzo Spirito, Perugia 1482 (possibly created earlier already) the idea of "kings" is also used.
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=63206&page=1&pp=10&highlight=spirito
and
"1482: Lorenzo Spirito published Delle sorti or Libro di ventura in 1482. “There are 20 questions, grouped around a wheel of fortune on which are represented four men; to each man a reference is added to a list of kings… These 20 kings in their turn guide the enquired to 20 planets; the table of dice casts attached to these planest contain 56 references to the 20 spheres of the planets. After one has found their way through these stages, they finally reach 20 prophets who each have 56 three-line answers to give….” (Braekman, 10.) Thierry Depaulis notes that this book “was a best-seller around 1500-50.”
--- ... see "20 kings"
from Michael Hurst Fragments of Tarot,
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatrionfi/Fragments/1480-1539.html
As far I get it, Bollstatter's book was not printed in early time, but printed was another Losbuch by a Martin Flach ca. 1485 in Basel (I don't know, if there is a context).
Konrad Bollstatter used more than one name, which made the research around him troublesome. He's described as a very intellectual writer, who even knew some kaballistic texts. He worked for the count of Oettingen and later from 1466 - 1482 in Augsburg.
It's said, that Bollstatter remarked somewhere, that he was the author of a short poem about the daughters of the devil - which actually might be an ironical statement, in which Bollstatter indicated, that he wrote about dice or cards (?) as instruments for a divination system.
Did Bollstatter got his stuff from Spirito or Spirito his stuff from Bollstatter or did both use independantly another source unknown, which also had the idea of "kings"?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/richard.byrn1/1aWebpages/RFMB/htm/Losbuch.htm
who according this link compiled in ca. 25 years a sort of Losbuch.
Inside the system is something like "16 kings" ... as far I remember, it's said, that in the book of Lorenzo Spirito, Perugia 1482 (possibly created earlier already) the idea of "kings" is also used.
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=63206&page=1&pp=10&highlight=spirito
and
"1482: Lorenzo Spirito published Delle sorti or Libro di ventura in 1482. “There are 20 questions, grouped around a wheel of fortune on which are represented four men; to each man a reference is added to a list of kings… These 20 kings in their turn guide the enquired to 20 planets; the table of dice casts attached to these planest contain 56 references to the 20 spheres of the planets. After one has found their way through these stages, they finally reach 20 prophets who each have 56 three-line answers to give….” (Braekman, 10.) Thierry Depaulis notes that this book “was a best-seller around 1500-50.”
--- ... see "20 kings"
from Michael Hurst Fragments of Tarot,
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatrionfi/Fragments/1480-1539.html
As far I get it, Bollstatter's book was not printed in early time, but printed was another Losbuch by a Martin Flach ca. 1485 in Basel (I don't know, if there is a context).
Konrad Bollstatter used more than one name, which made the research around him troublesome. He's described as a very intellectual writer, who even knew some kaballistic texts. He worked for the count of Oettingen and later from 1466 - 1482 in Augsburg.
It's said, that Bollstatter remarked somewhere, that he was the author of a short poem about the daughters of the devil - which actually might be an ironical statement, in which Bollstatter indicated, that he wrote about dice or cards (?) as instruments for a divination system.
Did Bollstatter got his stuff from Spirito or Spirito his stuff from Bollstatter or did both use independantly another source unknown, which also had the idea of "kings"?