Spiritual Protection

newlillith

Cat I feel these questions would be best asked on another thread. This is off topic from Spiritual Protection.
 

celticnoodle

Oh, please, do judge me for my opinions (and even more for my actions). After all, for what else would you judge me? :)

Of course you're the expert on your own experiences, but I still wonder why you always experience being murdered or raped when you contact people who have committed these crimes - surely that doesn't make up their entire existence? And maybe they still were loving mothers or beloved brothers whom their children or siblings want to contact after their death? I'm not trying to provoke you but I'm genuinely puzzled by this because I don't do medium work so I don't know how that would feel and why this or that aspect of a person may come through or not. Please feel free to shed some light onto these matters for me!

sheesh, Cat*. I feel sorry for you that you hold such anger like this in you. Why do you even care how I conduct MY readings for other people? It has no bearing on you.

I never said I ALWAYS experience being murdered or raped by contacting people who have done this. What I actually tend to experience is their anger and sickness. I feel their pain, their anguish and, no, it does not make up their entire existence, I know. But, that doesn't mean I MUST or even want to bring them through and experience the anger they have. Rather, I avoid it all together, perhaps because I know I am not strong enough to deal with it. But, this doesn't mean that I am being "cruel" nor does it mean that I am not a good psychic-medium.

I guess because you do NOT do medium work, you cannot understand the feelings I experience. So, perhaps since you have no idea of what I experience, you cannot understand why I must make rules to keep myself safe. Perhaps then, it also suggests you should not be so opinionated where I stand.
 

Cat*

Cat I feel these questions would be best asked on another thread. This is off topic from Spiritual Protection.
I asked for the underlying reasons for someone's protection. I don't think this is off-topic here.

sheesh, Cat*. I feel sorry for you that you hold such anger like this in you. Why do you even care how I conduct MY readings for other people? It has no bearing on you.
Huh? Where did you get the anger from? I'm very well in touch with my anger, and I can assure you that it wasn't anger that I felt when I wrote my previous post. If anything I felt compassion for the people who would seek out the services of a professional medium (or energy worker or any other kind of self-identified spiritual helper) and would be told that their concerns are too scary/uncomfortable for the helper to deal with. (And with professional I don't necessarily mean paid and/or full-time.)

I never said I ALWAYS experience being murdered or raped by contacting people who have done this. What I actually tend to experience is their anger and sickness. I feel their pain, their anguish and, no, it does not make up their entire existence, I know.
Thank you for clarifying that. I understand what you mean now.

But, that doesn't mean I MUST or even want to bring them through and experience the anger they have. Rather, I avoid it all together, perhaps because I know I am not strong enough to deal with it. But, this doesn't mean that I am being "cruel" nor does it mean that I am not a good psychic-medium.
I never said you MUST do anything. I just expressed my concern over people with legitimate issues being sent away by a medium because she doesn't want to do the ugly stuff (for whatever reasons - and I never said there weren't legitimate reasons). And yes, it still feels cruel to me (as the hypothetical medium/energy worker/spiritual helper) to send away people in a crisis because I don't want to experience uncomfortable things. Which does NOT mean that I think one has to accept any and every client no matter what.

I also never judged the quality of the readings you actually do - and I'm in no position to do so since I neither heard of them from a trustworthy source nor did I experience them myself.

I guess because you do NOT do medium work, you cannot understand the feelings I experience. So, perhaps since you have no idea of what I experience, you cannot understand why I must make rules to keep myself safe. Perhaps then, it also suggests you should not be so opinionated where I stand.
I never said you shouldn't keep yourself safe. I never even said you should do things differently. I only shared my impressions of your practices, as you explained them to me here, from the perspective of a certain group of hypothetical clients. For that, I certainly don't have to be a medium myself.

Your choices are still your own to make. And my opinions are mine to state whenever I believe it's important to do so.
 

HOLMES

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I am a psychic medium, and in addition to using white light and prayer as a form of protection, I also set some ground rules. I refuse to bring forth any spirit who has committed murder or has committed suicide or committed any other major form of abuse. I refuse to bring forth any spirit who was a serious drug abuser.

that is a sound pratice. it is take a dedicated/gifted medium to be devoted to crossing over spirits or helping those who are may not yet be ready to go into the light.
as a book(what one i can not say, but it stuck with me) says,, just because a person dies, it doesn't make them wiser"
or as i would put it just because a person dies and is earthbound it doesn't make them intantly repentent that they are ready to help
would you let them into your house if you know they were a drug abuser in real life, or rapist.
that is kind of grey area for ideally the light worker should be like preaching to all those who need it,, but we also have to look after ourselves as well.
 

celticnoodle

thank you, Holmes. Yes, this is exactly how I view it too. If I wouldn't normally invite that person into my home, then I'm not going to invite them to come to me via my medium abilities. In fact, when I am confronted by troubled spirits, and there have been others, besides the drug abuser, I call on my guides to come to my aid and get rid of them permanently. I also tell that spirit that they are not welcome to come to me and to leave immediately and not return. So far, I have not had any major issues as a result. The spirits have left me, either of their own accord, or by being escorted away by my guides. I also immediately use the white light protection again, to keep me and my home and loved ones safe.
 

Milfoil

I don't see where the accusation of anger comes from. Cat* was making a pertinent point not being rude or angry.

celticnoodle said:
I am a psychic medium, and in addition to using white light and prayer as a form of protection, I also set some ground rules. I refuse to bring forth any spirit who has committed murder or has committed suicide or committed any other major form of abuse. I refuse to bring forth any spirit who was a serious drug abuser.

HOLMES said:
just because a person dies and is earthbound it doesn't make them intantly repentent that they are ready to help
would you let them into your house if you know they were a drug abuser in real life, or rapist.

So what you are both saying here is that you prejudge who can or cannot be helped according to your personal moral rules and you never step outside that comfort zone of judgement because it goes against your ethics (religious or otherwise)? You both use protection all the time because you cannot know what may affect or influence you 24/7 and you consider suicide to be a major form of abuse! This begs the question, is the spiritual protection for you or to preserve your moral standpoint? If the rules are inflexible, how can we ever grow and learn compassion or expand our understanding?

So when someone 'comes through' in a mediumship sitting or circle - how do you know that they have lead a good enough life for you to communicate with? How do you know that the person still living who they wish to communicate something to is not a murderer or rapist? I'll hazard a guess that this is something written in a book or passed on by a so called teacher not from Guides or Spirit.

Suicide is not seen as abuse or a 'sin' in all cultures. Outside the Abrahamic religions it is often seen as acceptable in certain circumstances. Not everyone shares the same beliefs so we will all consider these things differently.

Personally I have communicated with someone who had passed due to suicide - they were in a very restless state and very unhappy. He was young, late teens, desperately depressed and now feeling even more guilty that he had caused pain to family by his actions. He needed love and compassion so that he could find his way to where he needed to be and so receive the healing he needed.

Cat was making an important point, that it is clear from what you write that you do judge, we all do, but she was asking you to be honest about it and open instead of couching it behind pleasantries.

So where spiritual protection is concerned, it now also seems to embody an element of not just fear but moral judgement too. I certainly don't know enough about who is guilty or not either here or over there so instead my Spirits and I have an understanding not to bring me into situations I cannot cope with, this does not, however preclude anyone or anything based on flawed human moral judgements. This has been an incredibly enlightening discussion in many ways.
 

HOLMES

no

what I am saying is like that movie the great story ever told when jesus says (yeah jesus been on my mind a lot ) says that "if your brother sin rebuke him,, but if he repents "

I am open to spirit bring such a repentent spirit who truly wants help to me past all the spirit protection,, it is like it is meant to be.
notice i said in my post rapist, and murders and didnt' include sucides who I do not believe go to hell, but get help from angels ,, however those that dont' accept it may walk around the world. at least that is my theory.

as i do not sit in medium circles i have not particapted in such things as you described, which is kudos for you of course for sitting in circles and taking part in it.

it is my personal belief that is a sucide comes to me through any spiritual protection (or rapist, murderer) it is because the light let him through hence he was ready to get helped.
as such that hasn't happened for me also I don't preclude them from myself i just rely on the creator judgement.
edited to add,, and that i am finally ready to help out such souls.

now here is celtic noodle who it would seems picks up the pain as an empath does, and wishes not to.. that is her right as i said it is a dedicated person who actively goes out and looks for souls to cross over, it could be that it is in their soul contract.

so i sit not in judgement but say it is good look after yourself as i am thinking the four of pentacles here, til she is ready to perhaps embrace the six of pentacles.

as for cat and c.n. disagreement i leave that for them to sort out(as it usually does)
 

Debra

Well this reminds me of discussion about if there are people or circumstances you don't want to read tarot for.

If I choose not to read for someone because I either know for sure, or sense strongly, that they are disturbed, that a reading might be dangerous for them (for example if they are delusional) or dangerous for me (as disturbed people sometimes are)--does this mean I am over judgmental, or ungenerous with my talents, or less than I might be as a tarot reader?

Obviously anyone with an ounce of sensitivity would not say, "Sorry I won't help you because I think you're too screwed up, dangerous, beyond helping" :bugeyed: but rather something like, "I am not the right person to do this for you."

A danger for those of us not trained in counseling psychology is the difficulty of recognizing and defining proper boundaries in our um "helping" relationship with others. There may also be a bit of rescue fantasy. Distinguishing an opportunity to do good and learn, from foolhardiness and pride, that can be a challenge. But honestly I don't believe that people have a moral or spiritual obligation to take on work that makes them sick. :(

eta: Here are some threads on the question of reading or not reading for people / situations that seem really disturbed (and other reasons to say no). It's not the same as this medium question but I see parallels.

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=115725
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=136300&pp=10
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=102154
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=130895
 

Milfoil

Obviously anyone with an ounce of sensitivity would not say, "Sorry I won't help you because I think you're too screwed up, dangerous, beyond helping" :bugeyed: but rather something like, "I am not the right person to do this for you."

This is very true and usually we know someone who can do that kind of work or can help them so the situation is not a complete loss for the person seeking assistance - they do get another lead.

A danger for those of us not trained in counseling psychology is the difficulty of recognizing and defining proper boundaries in our um "helping" relationship with others. There may also be a bit of rescue fantasy. Distinguishing an opportunity to do good and learn, from foolhardiness and pride, that can be a challenge. But honestly I don't believe that people have a moral or spiritual obligation to take on work that makes them sick. :(

Again, very true but we are not talking about having counselling skills here or reading tarot but just the general use of spiritual protection to protect us from spirit/psychic problems. It has been specifically those who have some mediumship experience who are discerning who they will or will not work with and that rather precludes any kind of openness to or trust in their guides to work with them appropriately. Foolhardiness and pride also go hand in hand with dogma and ego. Nobody has ever suggested doing anything that your gut instinct and guides are screaming NO to. Its about examining why we say no before we make an absolute rule out of it.

Nobody here has ever had any harmful experiences to determine or inform their choices other than the possibility of feeling overwhelmed by other's emotions which is a valid point so a certain degree but some of the reasons given for protection are definitely based upon moral standpoints which, if we were going to associate with Christianity don't stack up either since Jesus also said lots about loving your enemy, allowing social outcasts to come to him and being like the little children (open and questioning).

It's just a case of questioning what we are taught or read. It's not about who could be right or wrong but just the openness to trust your guides and not your fears or ego. How can any of us ever grow if we never question our own motives?
 

HOLMES

i would disagree

i would disagree for I think that the reading protocols we talk about in this life,, should apply to the next life as well.
it is also more then a case of questioning what we are taught , or read,, but also if it works for us. for some of us it works as some of have said, and others it didn't.
in relation to spiritual protection.

Nobody here has every had any harmful experiences to determine or inform their choice

I have shared several times(over the years) my dream of having a demon show up, tell me that my puny psychic powers are nothing,which lead me to take on spiritual protection in the first place for me it was real. my depression after i use the oujia board.
and how spiritual proection and cleansing has helped me.
i didn't run into a ghost, or have to fight a possesion i think it is because of spirtual protection. that is like , (to me) saying immunization doesn't work for you haven't been sicked.
and how do you know we dont' question our motives ? i know i do now and then.

I would say that the guides lead me to learn to about spiritual protection as i learned it when i was learning to channelling principles. also I have shared that for years I only focused on beings of lights and ascended masters and blocked any mediumship until a couple of years ago where i began to explore it in my own way.
that is well to do insteads of just blindly jumping into anyone teachings, even if it was a medium guru!.

working with guides solely by focus is differnt then working with those who haved passed on, and i might say has its own worries as well.
http://www.orindaben.com/pages/excerpts/highguide/#01HighGuide/
focusing on this enabled me to go learn more differnt spiritual teachings due to natural fears that might of held me back if i didnt' focus on discerntment.
so it is one path that some others may take and some who say they dont' need to focus soley on high level guides for their protection.

perhaps it is more then questioning what is read or taught and actually seeing if it works for you (which you already shared it didn't) but it might work for someone else.

it is for that reason i think it is valuable to share all the spiritual teachings that is out there, be it past lives, angels, spirit guides, white light, all forms of protection, christian teachings, buddhaist teachings, innerchild, counselling, spiritual growth like working with divines wills, the light body centers, rieki.
and talk about the pros and cons.
that is the best way for those who may join the forum and do a search all the way back to be educated besides the links out there.

milfoil and others wearing a black hat (one of the things i learned in high school ) does make us question ourselves, the teachings, and also help us to explain it to those who are ready for it,, or even though who may read this thread and say i won't use any of those techiques for the criticisms of it they may have read.