Tarocco Bolognese

le pendu

firemaiden said:
Oh, and I don't recognise the figure on the bottom right of sheet 1, who is that guy with wings and stilts? A strange kind of Hermit?

I assume that is Time. Many Tarot Historians believe that Time turned into the Hermit.

best,
robert
 

le pendu

firemaiden said:
It's VENUS!

While hoping to find a copy of the Rosenwald sheet on line I found this Library of Congress exhition Heavenly Craft: the wood cut in early printed books and saw this woodcut of the chariot of Venus in Flores astrologiae, 1488.

So the figure with the winged hat, is Venus! This chariot pulled by birds (eagles? ducks?) reminded me of the Tarot de Paris Chariot, which is pulled by ... (geese?) (a swan and a pelican?). And of course the Rothschild sheet Chariot has the same gal with the winged hat, as does the World card. Is this old news?

Fantastic finds FireMaiden. I should check the Geofroy to see what he has.

EDIT
Geofroy has two horses. You can see it here:
http://tarothistory.com/images/Geofroy_7.jpg
robert
 

Huck

The find of the helmet-winged Venus is very nice, nonetheless the figure on the Rothschild chariot is NOT Venus ... :) The chariot has horses and not birds, no cupido and it is male and not female. Normally Mercury is winhged (helm or shoes).
And in 18th centuryy there are Chariot cards (Bologna Tarocchi), on which the figure carries the common Mercury caduceus.
 

firemaiden

LOL, Huck. I guess you're right. Well it could be Venus in drag who stole someone else's chariot. (Just kidding).

Robert, what is the Geoffrey Tarot? Another one I've never heard of!!
 

Huck

firemaiden said:
LOL, Huck. I guess you're right. Well it could be Venus in drag who stole someone else's chariot. (Just kidding).

Robert, what is the Geoffrey Tarot? Another one I've never heard of!!

Catelin Geofroy, 1557, Lyon, used parrots, lions, (monkeys) and peacocks as suit signs, which he had transfered from a copperplate "normal" card deck from Vigil Solis (1544, still extant).
38 cards remained. The trumps are numbered in the way of the Marseille Tarot (oldest example).

http://www.trionfi.com/0/j/d/geofroy/
 

firemaiden

Wow, Ross, thanks for pointing me to the Mitelli Chariot! That's kind of amusing to see just two little doves.

I had to look up Mitelli to learn this was a major artist - Giuseppe Maria Mitelli (1634-1718) who amused himself putting out a tarot deck in the reduced card Bolognese style (62 cards), as shown on Trionfi, on Andy's Playing Cards.

This is really quite a treasure hunt :)

Huck, thank you for pointing me to the Catelin Geoffrey article on your site. There is no place to see the minor cards, is there. It sure would be fun to see those aces.
 

firemaiden

le pendu said:
I assume that is Time. Many Tarot Historians believe that Time turned into the Hermit.

best,
robert

Oh yes, I see that Time has often been depicted as an old man with two walking sticks.
 

firemaiden

le pendu said:
Isn't the Tower amazing? So much like the Charles VI deck.

http://letarot.com/dossiers-chauds/...dieu/images/Charles-VI-maison-dieu-medium.jpg

I love seeing Death on horseback... like some of the early non-tarot related imagery... see The Triumph of Death, Sacro Speco, Subiaco, Fresco:
http://www.philipresheph.com/a424/gallery/piclib/piclib4.htm

To me, the sheet seems very much connnected to the Tarocco Bolognese.... and we can see some of the images connected all the way to the Vieville.

Well, now that I finally have a copy of the Encyclopedia (!!) I am able finally to see the Rosenwald sheets (!!) on page 130 and 131, and think this Tower looks much much more like the Charles VI tower than the one on the page 129... The Rosenwald sheet tower looks exactly like that on the Charles VI, with one MAJOR DIFFERENCE -- the light coming to hit the tower and set it on fire comes as rays from THE SUN!! -- although (!) one does see the cut-off head of an arrow embedded in the crumbling side of the tower. (It looks like an airplane...)
 

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le pendu

An interesting image.

I found this image when looking for examples of "The Expulsion" (searching for images that relate to the Tower actually), and came across this
http://www.colorado.edu/FRIT/cravenp/Ital3030/Expulsion-venezia.JPG

The only info I can find is that it is from Venice. Looks to me like it is probably one of the mosaics from St Marks.

I assume that it is Adam and Eve, with eve holding a spinner. Then we have another image in the sequence with the seated spinner. I wish I could see more of the image, but can't find it anywhere.

Anyways.. I know this is barely related, but thought it interesting to see the seated spinner which reminds me of the Bologna Sun, along with the Expulsion, which reminds me of some depictions of the Tower.

If anyone has other versions of this image, I would LOVE to see them.

best,
robert