What now? Have I reached 'capacity?' Tarot OD?!

rivertail

Hi

I think I have over stretched my brain. Very briefly: I have taken up tarot with the Thoth deck, taken a little time and done one reading for myself (plus a few daily cards to get used to them).

In between I have been reading up on the Thoth, Kabbalah (Daniel Matt book) and other aspect that I can draw on to supplement my understanding of the tarot. And now I am beginning to see some influences and draw a few tentative correlations between them.

However, this 'bottom-up' approach to learning is not doing me any good. Just because I can take the engine apart does not mean I can drive. Or that's how it feels right now. It is certainly an 'in at the deep end' approach using my chosen cards, but they do feel right. Even though there is lots going on, there is an element of clarity to it all. Which in itself is very strange.

So, any advice on the next step really. Should I just get on and famliarise myself with the cards and their influences, and get stuck in? Feel a bit like I am in a terrain with no maps or too many maps I can't tell!

Thanks
 

ana luisa

I truly admire people like you who can diligently "study" a deck and go deep in evey aspect of it. This may sound stupid but why not, just for the sake of "taking a break" try looking at the cards and having them bring you feelings, emotions, pure and untainted intuition work? Or even wilder, why not do spreads combining Tarot + Oracle? When I get reader's block, I usually resort to unusual methods. That's often refreshing :)
 

rwcarter

rivertail,

Welcome to AT!

Can't specifically help you with the Thoth and your study of it, but have you taken a gander at the Thoth forum? There's probably a wealth of info there. And there's definitely a lot of people who would be more than happy to share their experiences with and knowledge of the Thoth with you.

HTH,
Rodney
 

Grizabella

What happens when you stuff yourself at Thanksgiving dinner or an evening out to dinner? You get stuffed and have to digest it! So if you're feeling stuffed full, take some time to just do a bunch of other stuff for awhile. You're not giving up Tarot for good but you're allowing your subconscious, which is stuffed full, to digest what you've given it. Then when you come back, you'll be amazed at what a difference the time away made. :)
 

rivertail

What happens when you stuff yourself at Thanksgiving dinner or an evening out to dinner? You get stuffed and have to digest it!

That is probably the best way of describing it right now! It is a case of stuffing or spreading myself too thin and losing focus.

ana luisa, is it best to try and keep a journal of impressions? Does your intuition ever lead you to inappropriately interpret or can this be tackled with experience and input (for example the deck specific forum)?
 

rwcarter

rivertail said:
Does your intuition ever lead you to inappropriately interpret or can this be tackled with experience and input (for example the deck specific forum)?
IMHO, if your intuition tells you a certain card means something that's different than the listed meanings for the card, you should always go with your intuition!

The meanings associated with the cards in any deck are meanings that work for the person who is writing about them. Those meanings are not gospel for anyone but the person who wrote them. As I keep saying throughout this forum, you should accept what meanings (or advice or interpretations) make sense to you and ignore those meanings that don't.

Rodney
 

ana luisa

I couldn't have said it better, Rodney!! Rivertail, your question is very pertinent and, honestly, I tend to "trust' my intuition. I guess the hard part is to get to that point when you know where imagination stops and intuition begins or vice-versa. When I started reading, I was afraid of either getting it wrong or imagining answers. Losing this fear is part of the process and, if you do not feel confident enough to believe your intution at this stage, do keep a journal of impressions. The only caveat IMO is that the same card can have hundreds of meanings depending on the spread, card combinations and readings you do. So, both the book meanings or even your own tend to be a bit limiting. But they are a valid start, by all means.
 

nisaba

rivertail said:
Even though there is lots going on, there is an element of clarity to it all. Which in itself is very strange.

So, any advice on the next step really. Should I just get on and famliarise myself with the cards and their influences, and get stuck in? Feel a bit like I am in a terrain with no maps or too many maps I can't tell!
Yeah, my personal opinion is that you should. The lots going on - strange clarity - feeling odd and mapless is not a bad thing, it marks a stage of accelerated growth for you. Go for it, but keep grounded. I recommend eating and walking.
 

rivertail

Thank you all so much for the replies. Its interesting to become not only aware of the cards and their capacity for insight, but also how they an relate to the individual.

Just thinking about how I pulled out a card today (and using some of the suggestions above), and stopping to look at it. Really look at it, rather than seeing it as a signifier for meaning held in a book. Prince of discs by the way, which was interesting on a number of levels, but I digress slightly.

Progress perhaps.
 

SunChariot

rivertail said:
Hi

I think I have over stretched my brain. Very briefly: I have taken up tarot with the Thoth deck, taken a little time and done one reading for myself (plus a few daily cards to get used to them).

In between I have been reading up on the Thoth, Kabbalah (Daniel Matt book) and other aspect that I can draw on to supplement my understanding of the tarot. And now I am beginning to see some influences and draw a few tentative correlations between them.

However, this 'bottom-up' approach to learning is not doing me any good. Just because I can take the engine apart does not mean I can drive. Or that's how it feels right now. It is certainly an 'in at the deep end' approach using my chosen cards, but they do feel right. Even though there is lots going on, there is an element of clarity to it all. Which in itself is very strange.

So, any advice on the next step really. Should I just get on and famliarise myself with the cards and their influences, and get stuck in? Feel a bit like I am in a terrain with no maps or too many maps I can't tell!

Thanks

From what you're saying it sounds like it's time the method you have been using has not been working as well as expected for you and that it's time to put your focus more on using the cards than on studying Tarot.

I think you probably have too many maps. I sure never put that much memory work into learning to read. The thing about books on Tarot technique, and they are useful and even necessary in the beginning, is that they can only give you the author's views on how to do things. And if you read enough books, you start to see that there are almost as many viewpoints on how to read as there are authors.

The thing is, in Tarot, you have to develop your own style, way of reading, and find inside yourself what works for you. No book can do that for you, not even the book written by the deck's creator that comes with the deck.

Books can gives us hints on potential ways to do things, especially in the beginning. But they are not law. We have to find our own ways and meet the decks one on one and form our relationships with them,

I have never been one of those who studied Tarot. I read a lot of books in teh beginning out of an insatiable curiousity about Tarot, but I never studied it. I just learnt a few essentials like the main meanings of the Majors and their numbering, the meanign of the suits. And then I got to work with the cards and developed my own methods.

To me no book can tell you what the best way to read is for you, and no one else can tell you either. It's an individual thing that comes from your heart and soul and you feel it deep inside when you find somethign that is part of your path.

And to me, I don't believe in set symbolism. I prefer to feel inside me what a symbol means to me personally each time it comes up in a card.

The best way of course to get to know the cards and to find how they best work for you is to use them, often and repeatedly, and to keep a journal and look back months later and see what you can learn.

But, to me, in the end, you learn a lot more by using teh cards and through trial and error than through any book.

And anyway, books are just suggestions mainly. There are so many ways to read and so many books saying their way is they way....really you have to at some point put that aside and find inside you what works. That is all that matters in the end, what works well between your deck and yourself, not what someone else says had worked for them.

The best way to understand the Tarot and to get better and better at it is to just use it and learn by experience.

Tarot, btw, is a lot about intuition. And no book can teach you that. And that, to me seems to be the missing ingrediant as to why you can't yet put the engine together yet.

Maybe a good next step for you might be to pull out your deck and really LOOK at the images. And see what you sense and feel the symbols on it might mean in different cirumctances and for different questions. Like, choose one card and think up different questions for it and really look at the image and sense inside you what that card could mean in answer to each question.

Another good excercise might be to look at the card and the image (or just part of it) and ask yourself if were a sound what would it sound like, if it were an odor what would it smell like....It may sound a bit silly LOL, but it might help your intuition grow in relation to the cards.

By the way, and for what it's worth, when I first got the Thoth deck I thought you were supposed to study it too, I tried for a short time and it made me miserable and my readigns were worse. It was only when I realized inside that I was better off just using it intuitively and sensing what the images were trying to tell me that the deck took off for me and worked well. It was a disaster for me personally when I tried studying it. But then that is just the kind of reader that I personally am...

Well those are some suggestions.

Babs