Umbrae said:
Not everybody is going to be 'drawn out'. In fact there are a few folks that you’ll read for and they will just sit like a lump…you’ve had those kind, yes?
Some will sit down for a 30 minute reading, and open up, with no bidding and the next thing you know, they’ve talked for 25 minutes, and you’ve looked at 3 cards, and they’ve solved all of their own problems! Usually they will walk away with glowing comments about how good you are, and you did nothing, except provide an ear. But their problems were solved. Isn’t that one of our end goals anyways?
Yes, I would have to say that is one of our goals! Hopefully the cards helped, but I can see exactly what you mean. I have not yet done in-person readings (well, a handful of times), so I haven't crossed the hurdle of having querents sitting like a lump. Although the friends I have read for over the phone, there is one that I know is sitting there like a lump!
Umbrae said:
So there you are, sitting with a client that is fully drawn out, what does that situation look like to you?
Sometimes, those that resist being drawn out are stubborn or belligerent, or just had a bad reading from a bad cold reader; and sometimes, and these folks you have to watch for, they are shy. Perhaps they don’t think their problems (which are usually huge) aren’t worth your time (but they really really are) and they just don’t want to bother you with something so trivial (and it ain’t trivial at all). See what I mean?
Umbrae, wow; yes, I see what you mean. That could be a very tricky type of querent! Someone who has a serious problem, and you can clearly see it in the cards, but the person you are reading for isn't likely to be receptive to hearing what the cards have to say, are they, if they are shy and untalkative? That brings us to ...
Umbrae said:
Learn to master the open ended question. Does this make sense?
I have to assume you mean questions that are not yes/no type questions. So, to draw out such a querent in a situation as you described above; I would use questions such as ... actually, I cannot think of any good open-ended questions to ask such a person, in order to impart to the querent the results of what may turn out to be a very sensitive reading that I may have found in the cards, to this untalkative querent. Or, how to get them to at least open up to me with their initial question.
Umbrae said:
Now the whole reason to draw the sitter out, is to help provide context between card meanings and the sitter.
Drawing the sitter out has nothing to do with 'Cold Readings' and Hits. The reader who sits with their head down interacting with only the cards, and not the sitter, is just as good as the reader who interacts with only the sitter and does not look at the cards (using them for a prop) in a cold reading.
Reading is all about context with the cards and the sitters life situation. Interaction provides context.
Yes! Interaction provides content. And I do not want to be a reader who just sits with my head down only interacting with the cards. And that was what I was picking up from Wald and Ruth Amberstone's book, Tarot Tips. So I am definitely trying to find ways to interact with the querent without being intrusive, and certainly with no intent to cold-read.
Umbrae said:
We are not mindreaders, guessing 'what you're thinking about' using Tarot cards.
Exactly! Do you find you have to explain this to certain querents; that you have to literally tell them that tarot cards are not designed to read their mind(s)? Speaking of which, I have heard that some tarot readers use them this way. Is this ever legitimate and does it have its place in legitimate tarot, or is it always false? To rephrase the question, all of us have heard of psychics who use the tarot. Are there legitimate psychics using tarot in a "mind reading" way? I believe some people are psychic, but this is part of the difficulty with being a tarot reader ... some querents expect all tarot readers to be psychic.
Umbrae said:
Edited to further add: I myself don't ask questions until the first take on the cards. Then I ask for feedback and we go over the cards together. But the first time through, I like to operate without a net.
I like this advice! (and others mentioned this approach, too; thank you.
) That way you get your first reading without having feedback, as you said, operating without a net. I can do my first reading this way, doing my best reading of the cards. Then I can ask the querent for feedback.
I would want to use this feedback to pull clarification cards, or to take a second look at the cards I had already thrown.
But I also want to keep the reading interactive, so that it isn't just me interacting with the cards while the querent looks on. From what people have said here, there seems to be a fine line between obtaining very little information from the querent and too much information from the querent.
Obtaining information from the querent still seems like it would make for a more productive reading; allowing one to delve more specifically into the cards. But maybe there is a case to be made for, as some have said, one's objectivity as a reader flying out the window and the reader begins to see things in the cards that really aren't the message we were meant to see.
Thanks!