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Great ... now we have TWO bitching Israelis here !
Hi uri
Yes it is.
I will talk to you ... as long as you stop calling OTO an offshoot of GD . Here is a better explanation.
http://oto-usa.org/oto/history/ ( Sanctioned by Fr. Sabazius ; a scholar and a fine chap! )
(I don’t find this bitching at all actually … it’s a description of a ‘dynamic’ )
And
Are some of the reasons that initiates and others are instructed (around the level of initiation / comprehension {or before it} that is being discussed now) in the four powers of the Sphinx ; To Know, to Will, to Dare and to Keep SILENT
Not that I want you to keep silent from me because I am learning stuff … but I think ‘keeping silent’ can be seen as not responding to certain types or using a shared and understood symbol system and not trying to spell everything out … those that sincerely want to learn in this tradition will do the homework the others won’t bother.
Not that it keeps ME from being silent … blah blah blah !
Hi uri
It is very good to see another Israeli here interested in GD lore,
Yes it is.
If you count people interested in offshoots (OTO, BOTA, etc), there are plenty. Apparently they don't talk much with each other. Or maybe they just don't like talking with me, not blaming them any for it.
I will talk to you ... as long as you stop calling OTO an offshoot of GD . Here is a better explanation.
http://oto-usa.org/oto/history/ ( Sanctioned by Fr. Sabazius ; a scholar and a fine chap! )
My impression is most of them want the explanation to validate their preconceptions, and are unhappy when it doesn't.
I get this most often with astrological attribution to the court cards - when I give them the correct answer, they just quote scripture (read: Dr. Yoav Ben Dov's book, whether they learnt it directly or indirectly), even in face of scripture's author's admission the attribution he uses is in no way Waite's.
(I don’t find this bitching at all actually … it’s a description of a ‘dynamic’ )
And
... certain topics are too complicated or not suitable for the general reader, etc. Still, when those same subjects are explained to those same people (and this phenomenon is seen quite acutely in most parts of Aeclectic) the explainer is met with glassy eyes, and the inquirer inevitably retreats to the warm embrace of "intuitive reading."
People just aren't interested, and in many cases even those who are angered by Waite's obscurity resist actually doing the work of lifting the veils. Like Mary said quite rightly, people find any reason to lodge complaints, and if Waite had, indeed, written a book comparable in scope to the Book of Thoth, the same complaints made against that book would be made against Waite, that it is too long, too complicated, etc. In order to understand the interchange of Strength and Justice one would have to study Kabbalah, astrology and a few other things just for the explanation not to sound like gibberish, and that still wouldn't guarantee understanding the reasoning behind it. But general readers mostly confine themselves to complaining about the style while being disinterested in the substance.
Are some of the reasons that initiates and others are instructed (around the level of initiation / comprehension {or before it} that is being discussed now) in the four powers of the Sphinx ; To Know, to Will, to Dare and to Keep SILENT
Not that I want you to keep silent from me because I am learning stuff … but I think ‘keeping silent’ can be seen as not responding to certain types or using a shared and understood symbol system and not trying to spell everything out … those that sincerely want to learn in this tradition will do the homework the others won’t bother.
Not that it keeps ME from being silent … blah blah blah !