Comparative Tarot - New on Aeclectic
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 02 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| HudsonGray |
02 Mar 2003 |
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Boy, talk about a confusing deck! Not for beginners. Strange to pick those four decks....I'd think you'd get the most out of it if you knew all four of the decks pretty well, but if you don't then you'd need all 4 of the LWBs to make full use of them.
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| Hedera |
04 Mar 2003 |
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Aaah, yes..... You see, this has 2 decks I've been wanting (Marseilles and Origins), plus something Egyptian, which I don't yet have, either.....
I hate the Universal, but still, I could just buy this one, instead of buying the three I want seperately, so actually, by buying this deck, I would *save* money, you see! :D
Would be interesting to read with - can you imagine doing a CC with this one? Would be like trying to have a conversation with 16 people at once in a crowded room!
But for a simple cross and cover - or even a 3-card throw..hm. I don't know.
Surely, someone here already has it, and can tell me if they like it?
I remember reading somewhere (I think on tarotpassages) that Valerie was doing a real book on this deck. What happened to that? This only seems to have a LWB!
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| scheherazade |
04 Mar 2003 |
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Not for me... poor confused-by-images little me. The name suits it, however.
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| Astraea |
04 Mar 2003 |
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I have the deck -- got it because I wanted to see how the RW symbolism jibed with the Marseilles and some non-traditional images. I like Valerie's Comparative Tarot website, too. But I find that the images on the cards are too small to be useful for me -- can't see the detail required to draw comparisons and contrasts between the four decks. IMO, this deck would work a lot better in a large-format style (a la the larger Thoth deck). It's a great idea, though.
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| scheherazade |
04 Mar 2003 |
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I take that back... I didn't look close enough. Imagine all the insight one could get from those... my mind could make a thousand stories.
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| Pollux |
05 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by Hedera
But for a simple cross and cover - or even a 3-card throw..hm. (...)
I remember reading somewhere (I think on tarotpassages) that Valerie was doing a real book on this deck. What happened to that? This only seems to have a LWB!
The LWB suggests using it for one card readings, to study each card - it's a comparative deck, meant more for study in my mind than for spreading table-fulls of cards... *LOL*
And Valerie Sims's book is NOT about THIS DECK.
It's just a book about Comparative Readings, just like there's some on Tarot Magick or Tarot Gollums. No wait, the latter still has to be written ... *lol*
;)
P.S. There used to be a topic about it. I could bump it up if you guys want. And try to keep it more... "alive" *LOL*
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| Hedera |
06 Mar 2003 |
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Hi Pollux,
that sounds interesting!
If you can find it, I would appreciate a bump or link.
Thanks!
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| HudsonGray |
19 Apr 2003 |
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I just picked up this $20 deck for $12.50 plus $1.50 shipping over on ebay today. Too good a bargain to pass up, saw it at the last 3 minutes up for auction & just put a bid in on a lark.
If I don't like it I'll stick it up on the board for sale, at least this way I get to see the Tarot of the Origins cards all at once, I've only seen a few cards online for that deck.
There were some decent bargains on decks over at ebay, I can't recommend enough just giving the occasional check/look-see every so often. I grabbed a brand new, in the box Robin Wood for $5 that way last year.
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| Cerulean |
20 Apr 2003 |
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That's great, hope you find it a fun deck or enjoy the mini-deck idea. I am hoping Valerie's book comes out soon.
Mari H.
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| Rusty Neon |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Originally posted by Hedera
Aaah, yes..... You see, this has 2 decks I've been wanting (Marseilles and Origins), plus something Egyptian, which I don't yet have, either.....
I hate the Universal, but still, I could just buy this one, instead of buying the three I want seperately, so actually, by buying this deck, I would *save* money, you see! :D
I don't own this deck, but I've seen the scans on the web and read the various descriptions and reviews of this deck. I have a number of comments which I hope are useful:
(1) It should be noted that the Marseilles deck included in the _Comparative Tarot_ deck is a Marseilles deck with a pattern by Burdel. It is not the pattern by Nicolas Conver (1760). Conver's pattern is the basis of the well-known 20th century Grimaud (Marteau) TdM deck. The Burdel pattern is significantly different from the Conver/Grimaud (Marteau) pattern throughout the 78 cards, including the pip cards.
(2) I'm really at a loss as to why, from a conceptual standpoint, the LS Tarot of the Origins would be included among the 4 decks. Toppi, the artist and creator of the Tarot of the Origins deck has a system of divinatory meanings that he invented which are, by design, peculiar to the structure of his deck. Any connections with the RWS would be purely by hazard. You could have an I Ching deck in place of the Tarot of the Origins and it would make as much sense, and give as much syncronystic insight, alongside the other 3 decks. :)
(3) Toppi's descriptions and divinatory meanings are contained in the LWB for the standalone Tarot of the Origins but not in the LWB for the Comparative Tarot deck. Those descriptions and DMs are useful for the use and enjoyment of the Tarot of the Origins deck as they give insights as to what the artist and creator had in mind.
(4) The background colours of the Tarot of the Sphynx as they appear in the Comparative Tarot deck have been changed from how they appear in the real Tarot of the Sphynix deck that is sold on a standalone basis.
(5) The background colours of the Burdel deck may have been changed as well, but I'm not sure as I don't own either the Burdel or Comparative Tarot deck. Can anyone give info in this regard?
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| RiccardoLS |
20 Apr 2003 |
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2) I'm really at a loss as to why, from a conceptual standpoint, the LS Tarot of the Origins would be included among the 4 decks. Toppi, the artist and creator of the Tarot of the Origins deck has a system of divinatory meanings that he invented which are, by design, peculiar to the structure of his deck. Any connections with the RWS would be purely by hazard. You could have an I Ching deck in place of the Tarot of the Origins and it would make as much sense, and give as much syncronystic insight, alongside the other 3 decks. :)[/b][/quote]
The reason it's because the Origins gives you a window into a totally different approach to Tarot than the RWS, the Marseille or the Sphinx.
(5) The background colours of the Burdel deck may have been changed as well, but I'm not sure as I don't own either the Burdel or Comparative Tarot deck. Can anyone give info in this regard?
It has been slicghtly changed, as the pure white of the background was too strong a contrast with the other cards. We tried as much as possible to blend the 4 deck togheter.
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| Pollux |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Originally posted by Rusty Neon
(2) I'm really at a loss as to why, from a conceptual standpoint, the LS Tarot of the Origins would be included among the 4 decks. Toppi, the artist and creator of the Tarot of the Origins deck has a system of divinatory meanings that he invented which are, by design, peculiar to the structure of his deck. Any connections with the RWS would be purely by hazard. You could have an I Ching deck in place of the Tarot of the Origins and it would make as much sense, and give as much syncronystic insight, alongside the other 3 decks. Woo-hoo!!! I get to reply after Riccardo... hehehe
Rusty Neon, I see where you are coming from, of course, and probably it's a common perception (I had that too). But I also believe that each of the 4 decks presents a different perspective, a different "system of divinatory meanings", still each of them peculiar to the respective deck - so it's as if the Origin just accomplishes its duty! ;) (LOL)
The Origin stands out, I almost gave up using the deck for non-personal readings just because I kept falling on it (LOL) instead of looking at the bigger picture and considering the other three cards - I was biased... :P
It's a very different, untraditional deck with its own structre, and it does feel as "the odd one" a bit. But I see more coherence now in the choice of the decks anyway. The impressions might well stem from the widespread familiarity with Marseille and RW-like decks, and I understand it. So 3 of the 4 decks chosen are "well-known", whereas I tend to see the Tarot of the Origin as the innovative chap of the crew. It's four different angles, with one of which we mostly are unfamiliar...
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| Cerulean |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Origins portion
I am fascinated that someone could pick up on the Origins first.
The Origins minors are color-coded similarly to the Fey tarot and have these color schemes:
Pentacles-material achievement/knowledge gained- yellow
Chalices-spirituality and magic- blue
Wands-green-natural world
Swords-red-blood
The Origins minors follow this structure for each suit:
1-Etching - drawing/representation
2-Age - elder teaching apprentice
3-Mask - a masked representation of the suit
4-Bones - actual bones used to connect to spirit of suit
5-Stone - stone used as tool
6-Rite - action or observation an act related to the suit
7-Era - an emblem, symbolic or representation of the time
8-Spirit - a scene evoking the spirit or mood of the suit
9-Birth - culminating time, almost a harvest
10-Environment - fruitful results, ideal conclusion or completion
The courts are Child, Animal, Woman and Man.
Hope this helps begin to mesh it for others.
Mari H.
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| Rusty Neon |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Hi everyone ... The thread on the LS Comparative Tarot deck (which bundles minis of the LS Universal, Burdel pattern TdM, LS Tarot of the Sphynx, and LS Tarot of the Origins) got me thinking about which 4 decks I would ideally like to bundle together.
Copyright assembly/publisher coordination issues aside, my 'ideal' comparative tarot deck would (as of this exact minute - but it can change in the next minute) be comprised of the following four decks:
List 1: General 'ideal'
(1) 1971 U.S. Games Rider deck
(2) Thoth deck (the better photographed one, of course)
(3) Conver 1760 TdM (Heron)
(4) Marteau TdM (Dusserre)
List 2: 'Ideal' with focus on GD:
(1) 1971 U.S. Games Rider deck
(2) Thoth deck (the better photographed one, of course)
(3) Gareth Knight's deck (take on Golden Dawn's tarot)
(4) Gill Tarot
List 3: 'Ideal' with focus on Conver pattern decks:
(1) Conver 1760 (Heron)
(2) Conver 1760 (Lo Scarabeo)
(3) Marteau (Grimaud)
(4) Marteau (Dusserre)
List 4: 'Ideal' with focus on French tarot tradition:
(1) Conver 1760 (Heron)
(2) Marteau (Dusserre)
(3) Papus
(4) **a fourth deck --- hmm, I'm still thinking......
Discussion:
(A) What are your variations on these four lists?
(B) What (different) 4-deck combinations are you drawn to? (e.g., comparative mythology, Celtic, comic-book, etc.)
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| Pollux |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Rusty Neon, why don't start such interesting discussion in another thread? ;)
If you want I can split this up.
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| Rusty Neon |
20 Apr 2003 |
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Thanks Pollux ... As you've suggested, I have started a new thread.
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