Any Egyptian Tarot with 56 minor arcana issued in traditional 4 suites?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 04 Oct 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Kether__	04 Oct 2003
Do you know any Egytian Tarot, whose minor arcana are issued in the four tradiotional suites?

Rusty Neon	04 Oct 2003
So that the list can answer your question, I've got a question for you: What's your definition of an Egyptian tarot? (There are many different categories of decks that could be an Egyptian tarot.) http://www.spiritone.com/~filipas/Masquerade/Reviews/historye.html

Gerbear	04 Oct 2003
The Tarot of Transition has the suits of Swords, cups, coins and staves. Since a stave is another word for a staff, that's fairly close.

Le_Corsair	05 Oct 2003
... is the Cagliostro, which utilizes majors painted in a belle epoque style, with minors based on Marseilles decks. Not a good mixture. Bob :THERM edited to add: the deck does, however, have the loveliest back of any of the decks I own: navy blue with bronze astrological wheel, with the Modiano name and trademark in the wheel hub.

Kether__	05 Oct 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Rusty Neon So that the list can answer your question, I've got a question for you: What's your definition of an Egyptian tarot? (There are many different categories of decks that could be an Egyptian tarot.) http://www.spiritone.com/~filipas/Masquerade/Reviews/historye.html Although there are many of them, for me, an Egyptian Tarot is the ones in the way of "Tarot Adivinatorio Egipcio" Naipes comas, Spain http://www.inicia.es/de/mukunda/tarot_egipt.htm Tarot Egipcio de Fournier, Spain http://www.terra.es/personal7/kelsang/eftarot.htm Or the Egyptian Tarot By Kier, Us Games http://www.themysticeye.com/pics/egipcios.htm They are very similar about symbols, images etc.

Diana	05 Oct 2003
Depends very much on what you mean by traditional. Do you mean "coin" instead of the modern Golden Dawn "pentacle"? and "baton" instead of the modern Golden Dawn "wand"? Please define what you mean by traditional suits.

Cerulean	05 Oct 2003
Well, to be honest I very quickly gave away the Kier by U.S. Games away. So far the only "Egyptian" style tarot that works for me are the two modern recreations of the Comte. St. Germain version where in the majors Strength as 11 and Justice 8, which works for me. The minors are similar enough to be considered standard, although it is coins and staffs instead of pentacles and clubs or wands. I use the booklet from the Ibis Tarot from AGMueller (distributed by U.S. Games) and the art cards from Lo Scarabeo's Egyptien Tarot by S. Alasia. I do like the art from the Laua Tuan Egyptian from Di Vecchi (Italian) and the Clive Barrett Ancient Egyptian, but they are more useful for me to do for small comparisons. All these above actually have do a version of Cups, Swords, Staves and Coins and the King/Queen/Knight/Page, except for the Ibis. There seemed to be a small convention in some decks (Ibis and Knapp Hall) of making Page into Slave, which seemed to be a design choice to do with their themes. (The Knapp-Hall is not Egyptian) I hope this narrows down your search a little. Mari H.

Rusty Neon	05 Oct 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Kether__ Although there are many of them, for me, an Egyptian Tarot is the ones in the way of "Tarot Adivinatorio Egipcio" Naipes comas, Spain http://www.inicia.es/de/mukunda/tarot_egipt.htm Tarot Egipcio de Fournier, Spain http://www.terra.es/personal7/kelsang/eftarot.htm Or the Egyptian Tarot By Kier, Us Games http://www.themysticeye.com/pics/egipcios.htm They are very similar about symbols, images etc. The Kier's minor arcana are suitless. I don't know if any of the Kier deck's Spanish and Latin American relatives have suited minor arcana. However, I do know that the divinatory meanings of cards 23 to 78 of the Kier (its minor arcana) correspond with the upright card divinatory meanings (although sometimes it's the reversed card DMs) of cards 22 to 77 of the Etteilla decks (its suited minor arcana). As for Etteilla decks, you can check out the original one which is the Grand Etteilla deck (reproduction published by Grimaud or Dusserre) or the later and differently-imaged Etteilla deck known as the Tarot Égyptien (reproduction published by Dusserre and now by Lo Scarabeo, the Lo Scarabeo being sold as the Book of Thoth deck). You can find scans of all 78 cards of the Grand Etteilla (Grimaud) on the www.tarot.com website; check out their website index. Note that there is another Etteilla deck which is known as the Jeu de la Princesse (described in the Filipas article listed in my first post). The Princesse deck keeps the Etteilla meanings but discards suits. Being suitless, it is therefore the closest Etteilla relative to the Kier deck. The Grand Etteilla and the Tarot Égyptien four suits are Deniers (Coins), Batons (Staves), Coupes (Cups) and Épées (Swords). You can find detailed DMs (and synomyms) for the Etteilla decks on Jim Revak's website: Villa Revak. Hope this helps.

Kether__	08 Oct 2003
Dear Rusty Sorry for not having answered before. Thank you very much for your interesting and kind answer. Best regards Kether

slinky_jo	09 Oct 2003
THE IBIS TAROT! It has the 78 cards, four suits/elements, court cards, etc. Doesn't have graphic pips, but quite a groovy deck none the less. It doesn't have traditional papyrus images - it's basically a good basic tarot deck with an Egyptian theme. I have it and use it and like it! www.aeclectic.net/ibis/index.html

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