The Apocalypse

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Jun 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Musicman	26 Jun 2002
Hi, I came across this article: The Bible and the Apocalypse The biggest book of the summer is about the end of the world. It's also a sign of our troubled times http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,265345,00.html Would like to hear your thoughts and your views. It's people like these that put all of us and the planet in danger due to their belief system, fears and paranoia and political power. Blessed be

Sorceress_Jade	27 Jun 2002
you have to admit that the trouble between israel and palistine is troubling. I think that's their way of actually calming their fears. Remember that a good portion of the people who read this book believe they will be raptured rather than face the hardships.

september	28 Jun 2002
If we are not headed towards an Apocalypse what are we headed for? It's getting pretty scary around here. I don't believe what is written in the bible and I don't belive in the rapture. But you can't deny the mounting insanity, extreame weather patterns, "digital angel", and the Euroupean Union. Where is this leading? I believe in a grand scheme of things, so what is the purpose of misleading the christians into believing that Jesus is coming, if he is not. I don't believe he is. I don't mean to offend anyone, I know the passion of religion. I was there once. Just one insignificant persons insignificant point of view.

tigerlily	28 Jun 2002
Eh, how does the EU figure in the Apocalypse?

wavebreaker	28 Jun 2002
Yes, I'd like to know too what the European Union has got to do with the Apocalypse?????

Maan	28 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by tarotlady Yes, I'd like to know too what the European Union has got to do with the Apocalypse????? Me too!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry but the europian union has more to do with peace than wore IMO !!!

september	28 Jun 2002
I was referring to revelation of the bible. About the united states of Europe that is viewed by christians as the state that the supposed anti-christ will rise from. Please excuse me I didn't mean to offend. Many people here are from Europe. It does not reflect in any way what I believe. Sorry.

wavebreaker	28 Jun 2002
That's ok, the words "mounting insanity" and "European Union" in the same sentence really made me wonder... ;) But thanks for explaining, I didn't know this. Where does that believe come from?

Kiama	28 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by september I was referring to revelation of the bible. About the united states of Europe that is viewed by christians as the state that the supposed anti-christ will rise from. He he! It wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened! The EU, for me, is incredibly annoying... bout the anti-christ though... I thought Satan was the anti-christ? And if he is, he's already here, and doesn't need to turn up.. Kiama

tigerlily	28 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by september I was referring to revelation of the bible. About the united states of Europe that is viewed by christians as the state that the supposed anti-christ will rise from. LOL and here I always thought the anti-christ will rise from the US ;) hey just kidding!

september	28 Jun 2002
I was refering to terrorism when I wrote about "mounting insanity", but to answer your question tarotlady, it comes from the last chapter in the bible in revelations, which describes the phrophecies of the end of the world as we know it. I get a lot of information about interpretation of revelation through christian T.V. programs that discusse the topic. Even though I am no longer a christian I still find the subject fasinating.

Kellinator	28 Jun 2002
There's a really fascinating cover story in Time magazine this week about the Apocalypse, if anyone's interested.

Sorceress_Jade	28 Jun 2002
I didn't read all through, so this may have been explained. The EU is the reason the Euro dollar came into effect. The Eurodollar is seen as a 'one world' currency, or the beginning of one at any rate, which is one of the signs of the apocalypse. It's basically a precursor to the Antichrists appearance. Do remember, that in the Bible the Antichrist is someone who is very very very well liked by the world at large. Christians have seemed in the past to act as though anyone seeming evil might be the Antichrist, but it's fortold that he won't seem evil at all. He'll be making peace and fixing things, charming the sox off the world as it were. Therefore, Osama is NOT the Antichrist... George Bush? Now your getting warmer. dunno y i posted all that on such a little question ;)

wavebreaker	28 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Sorceress_Jade Do remember, that in the Bible the Antichrist is someone who is very very very well liked by the world at large. Christians have seemed in the past to act as though anyone seeming evil might be the Antichrist, but it's fortold that he won't seem evil at all. He'll be making peace and fixing things, charming the sox off the world as it were. Hmm, doesn't sound like George Bush to me... ;)

Diana	28 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Sorceress_Jade The EU is the reason the Euro dollar came into effect. It's not called a Euro dollar. It's called a Euro. If the Anti-Christ is really going to make peace and fix things, then he'll have my vote anyday! And I certainly would never vote for either GB or OBL.

Kiama	28 Jun 2002
Great idea! Let's have a 'hunt the Anti-Christ' competition! First one to find out who the Anti-Christ is wins... What do they win? Kiama

Diana	28 Jun 2002
What do they win? A thousand Euros, of course! :D

Sorceress_Jade	28 Jun 2002
lol, great points :D and my mistake about the euro... it /is/ new and... i've never seen it, heh.

destinyawaitsme	29 Jun 2002
I don't know. Do you know how long people have been saying the world was going to end soon? We talked about this in my Anthropology class...anyway for centuries people have been saying the end is near. Also, terrorism wasn't created on 9/11. It's been around since the creation of man. Sometimes I'm disgusted at my country. It's as if no one ever died of a terroristic act until we were attacked on our own soil. Then it became a problem. It's been a problem for a long long time. I don't think it has gotten worse. We just look at it more closely now, so it seems as if there is more. I don't think the world is getting worse...it's just changing. Not worse, just different. It's like T.S. Eliot wrote, "This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper."

september	29 Jun 2002
I agree that this evil has always been there, but thing have gotten worse. Technology has ampliifed what was already there. 100 years or so ago there was no such thing as radiation, pollution , threat of nuclear war, biological weopons. global warming and the list goes on and on. There have been great benifits as well, but who's hands is this technology in? Not the humanitarians. Quote: Originally posted by destinyawaitsme I don't think the world is getting worse...it's just changing. Not worse, just different.

Sorceress_Jade	29 Jun 2002
destiny, ur right. It's sort of like someone watching their friends get stung by a bee and laughing and then calling an exterminator when it finally becomes his turn. Quote: Originally posted by september I agree that this evil has always been there, but thing have gotten worse. Technology has ampliifed what was already there. 100 years or so ago Certainly has... Quote: there was no such thing as radiation, pollution , threat of nuclear war, and no surgery, vaccines, pennecilin and synthetic medications, and no electricity, and no airplanes, and no telephones, noweather forcasting, no supermarkets, and no internet... ...Global positioning systems. 'global warming' is a natural phenomena that is NOT out of hand (that idea and it's supposed causes were invented by ubber liberal tree huggers who's lophers were made in sweat shops) Quote: There have been great benifits as well, but who's hands is this technology in? Not the humanitarians. Yes there has, as someone who intereprets Tarot (and knows what the Death card really means) I would think that you would understand that everything in the world is give and take. As with anything, technology can be used for devient and hurtful purposes, and it can be used for good as well. Who's hands is it in? Ours.

september	29 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Sorceress_Jade Who's hands is it in? Ours. [/b] Well if it's in "our hands" which I asume includes yourself, would you please make sure that the great medical advances that have been made are available to the poor as well as the rich? And would you please stop the big corperations from poisening the air and water? And how about making cars that don't pollute the atmosphere and destroy the ozone layer, or is that naturally occuring too? Perhaps you can take time from your tarot cards for a moment and turn on the NEWS! (Age 41 in case you were curious)

Mermaid	29 Jun 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Sorceress_Jade 'global warming' is a natural phenomena that is NOT out of hand (that idea and it's supposed causes were invented by ubber liberal tree huggers who's lophers were made in sweat shops) Last thing I heard, no one knew for sure yet if Global Warming is or isn't out of hand. There's heaps of different theories, but not enough evidence for any one scientist to know what's going on with any degree of certainty. Earth's planetary temperature naturally fluctuates over time, but noone really knows how much fluctuation is normal. And we do know that Green house gases have risen dramatically ever since we started keeping records, just like global temperatures have. So since no one knows, I figure we might as well treat it like it is a problem and try to lower Green house gases, instead of waking up in 100 years and realising we were wrong and it's too late! (From a liberal treehugging Ecology student who doesn't wear lofers at all :))

Umbrae	30 Jun 2002
Where to start. The Euro-Dollar is a futures contract for US currency on hand in European banks. It was a contract started by the old USSR. It has always been an unspoken goal of ‘Christian’ churches and prophesies to emphasis fear. In order to not live in fear you have to go to them. They alone have ownership of light and heaven. They have their little crucifixes planted in heaven claiming ownership. And you had best live in fear my friends…fear! Most ‘christians’ do not realize that in 325 CE, during the Council of Nicea, they literally voted on decided the divinity of Jesus. Athanasius and his group won. Fear has been their tool ever since. Do not trust anybody who puts ownership on your afterlife. Do not trust your apocalypse, as it is a tool of fear (media play the fear game also), if you fear, you become their tool. Pliable, useful, docile. Listen to your friends. Quote: [i] It's been a problem for a long long time. I don't think it has gotten worse. We just look at it more closely now, so it seems as if there is more. I don't think the world is getting worse...it's just changing. Not worse, just different. [/b]

Rain	01 Jul 2002
I would have to disagree with the world getting worse. I beleive we as humans are still learning our moral values. I think we focus too much on the evil of the world. Look around us and see all the beauty! We tend to only care about things when they happen to us. Someone made a good point about terrorism. It has always been around, it's just that September helped us see it better, because it happend to us. Beleive it or not, the world is getting better. Remember the Romans, and Slavery, and The Nazis with their concentration camps...that will never happen again, not on this earth. People were much more evil back then. I don't beleive in alot of what is written in the old testiment, because as a spiritist, I beleive in reincarnation. The reason the world is getting better is because long ago, these evil acts would occure, and now, we are learning from our previous mistakes. I beleive we have all lived on this earth before, and if not this earth, that on another...and I beleive that we have commited some evil crimes, that we have now started to learn from them. I don't see neuclear war, or AIDs or any other severe disease as the world getting worse, I see it as a consequence of some of the things we have done in a previous lifetime. Maybe a thousand years from now, there will be a cure for these diseases, for the simple fact that we would have learned our lesson by then, and will be sure not to make the same mistakes twice; so there will be no cause for the diseases anymore. Even though we do have the power to cause neuclear war, I don't beleive we will...the effect is deadly for the entire world, and it would be a sure fire way of killing off our kind. But who knows if we would actually do it or not, if we did, we'd sure save Jesus some time...he wouldn't even have to come back.

meatbox666	11 Jul 2002
I love this thread. I love anything regarding the end of the world. My opinion about the end, I believe it. I believe in God, and his son jesus crhrist and they are going to destroy the world and judge the living and the dead. I love the book Revelations. My bible is full of fortune telling and I mean it has been one of the best so far. My bible is scribbled with notes interpreting the prohesies. Here is one of my notes that I would like to share regarding the green house effect. I see this happening 200 years from now. But we are experiencing the beginning of it. Rev:16 8and 9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. That hole in the ozone layer is going to get larger. I feel that we do not have to worry about the polar caps melting away too much. My reason for saying is : GEN: 9:11 And I will establish a covenant with you: neither shall all flesh be cut off from the waters of a flood, and niether shall their be anymore, and neither shall there any more be a flood to cover the earth. I love interpreting the bible, I am not saying that I am correct. It is a hobby of mine. I am not trying to convince anyone to believe that Jesus is God's son. I said my opinon regarding the statements in the bible. I just wanted to make sure that is clear.

tigerlily	11 Jul 2002
Ah, meatbox, you should compare notes with my sister! Revelations is her hobby, too! Me, I think the guy who wrote them had some shrooms for supper! Remember the seven trumpets that the angel blows? My sis told me that five of them have already happened, the rivers of blood (some algue (sp?) plague in the Mediterranean sea colored the water red), birds falling dead from the sky, insects crawling out of the earth and destroying the crops... I forgot the others. Anyway, we decided that the quote you mentioned referred to some asteroid hitting the earth, with earthquakes and erupting vulcanoes (Yellowstone, anyone?) and nuclear winter in its wake... and remember those weird monsters he describes, with "tails of scorpions", etc? Tanks and helicopters, I tell ya! Third world war! I agree, it's fun, this apocalypse...

meatbox666	11 Jul 2002
I agree with the locust thing. The tanks and helicopters. I agree with her regarding nuclear winter also. I had nota ny help trying to interpret the prohosies and I am so glad that your sister enjoys interpreting thebook of Revelation. I'll start n new thread and EVERYONE CAN PUT what they feel the bible is saying regarding present day events. WOW, thanks for the idea towards starting a new and interesting thread.

Marion	11 Jul 2002
Okay, meatbox666, I am not arguing with your quotes. I just wanted to make sure you were clear that the hole in the ozone layer is not causing global warming. It is allowing more UV rays to strike the earth, causing skin cancer, cataracts etc. It is caused by certain man-made gases, such as those used in cooling systems, reaching the very outermost layer of the atmosphere and reacting with natural ozone and destroying it. The green house effect is caused by the so-called greenhouse gases which do not allow the earth's heat to radiate back out thus trapping heat inside the atmospheric mantle. It is disrupts the heat balance cycle. And last, if every bit of ice at both poles melted it would not cause the oceans to rise that much. Most of sea level rise is caused by the warming which causes the sea water to expand. Water expands when heated. Other than that, no problem.

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