The Chosen One/Leader of Atlantis?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 13 Nov 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Kiama	13 Nov 2002
Well, the title of this post is pretty weird, but the actual thread wil lget weirder... Thy say you met allsorts when you go to Uni for the first time. I didn't believe this, and assumed that everybody I met would be the sme as the people I had already met... But so far, as mentioned in a previous thread in Talking Tarot, I have met a guy who has 'bound 78 demons to his Tarot deck', and now I discover another guy who is a self-proclaimed 'Chosen One, Leader of Atlantis'. He keeps on going on about being able to create fireballs and psyballs with magick, and how in 3 years time a comet wll hit the Earth and cause Atlantis to rise again. He belives he is a member of a secret underground, millenia old organisation which is her eto protect Earth from what are known as 'Shadows' and 'Necromancers'. All this sounds weird to me... But some of the other stuff he says is very sound. I really am confused here, and don't know what to make of what he's saying... What he is like, if he went to a psychiatrist, woudl actually be diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic, which isn'yt my main concern, cuz he's no harm to anybody. But it does get annoying when he clais all these things... What do you guys think? Is he talking complete bull? Did Atlantis ever exist? And can you make fireballs with magick? (I know it's a stupid question, but my time at Uni so fr has taught me never to dismiss any possibility!) Kiama

fairyhedgehog	13 Nov 2002
My word, you do meet them Kiama :) In my scepticism, I doubt that Atlantis really existed but if it did I imagine it would not have been quite as the myths suggest. But in a way, this is not relevant. What I definitely do not believe is that this guy is a chosen one/leader of atlantis. Fireballs by psychic power or magic(k)? I don't believe it. I read books like that and I suppose not everyone is able to separate fiction from reality. Think how many people send baby bootees to new babies in soaps, or wedding presents for tv weddings, which are pure fiction. Of course, if he showed you him creating a fireball now that would be something :) Don't get confused by the sensible or useful or wise stuff he also says. A lot of people can say really good stuff mixed in with the nonsense. That doesn't mean that the weird stuff is all good too :) But why are you doubting yourself, Kiama? You are far wiser and more capable than him, I'd place bets on it.

truthsayer	13 Nov 2002
i've met someone who made incredible claims about special powers. this guy sounds like he's been reading too many comic books. he also sounds like one those fire and brimstone fundamentalist preachers with a new age twist. i wouldn't discount him as being harmless. appearances can be deceiving. if not schizophrenic, he could be manic depressive. both are unstable personalities. i'd swing a wide curve away from him. you don't want to argue with his version of reality if you have no choice but be around him. i believe there is a strong possibility that atlantis existed due to archeological evidence. but i seriously doubt that the ppl had any special psychic powers like is proported in scifi and fantasy novels and comic books. take this one with a grain of salt. in fact, take most everything you can't prove with a chunk of salt to be on the safe side.

Laurel	13 Nov 2002
I believe that Atlantis is "mythically true" in the sense that Atlantis, like the Garden of Eden, Tir na nOg, and other such realms exist outside the physical Assiah within Briah and Atziluth, as archetypes that are as real as gods or God and have the same power to inspire or terrorize us if we let them. Laurel

Dark Inquisitor	13 Nov 2002
Dear Kiama, I hate to bring this up, but- have you ever considered that you might be a Nut Magnet?? I say this to you because I speak from experience- both myself & my daughter are Nut Magnets. If there is a looney, criminal, con artist, bum, needy person , energy vampire, or stray animal in the vicinity, they find us. No question about it. I have had to learn to be very cautious and very firm in dealing with these types. They want all kinds of things from us that we have no intention of giving! (They can also get very angry when they don't get their way. ) If you think you might have a similar situation, it is good to realize it while you are young because it will save you a lot of grief if you learn to deal with it now. Tarotphelia

Liliana	13 Nov 2002
I knew there was a reason i was friends ith you tarotphelia lol anyway at least this guy is mildly entertaining, entertainment is expenive nowdays heres some for free Just seperate the wheat from the chaff, take the good stuff to heart, and the bad stuff just ignore unless he seems to be getting dangerous, then call police pronto next time he brings up the fireball ask him to show you i wonder what he will say :THP

Laurel	13 Nov 2002
You know, maybe Kiama should change her title to "Tarot-holic and Nut Magnet".

Umbrae	13 Nov 2002
Dearest Kiama; This person is a fruitcake – a daft wacko – and I know this for a fact. Because I am the Chosen One, the Supreme Potentate of Atlantis…he is an Imposter – a Charlatan (and most likely very poor taste in clothes, and poorly garbed). But I am a tad concerned about how he knows about the comet…perhaps we have an information leak…and of course Atlantis exist(ed)…but it is hidden…and not under the ocean as you may imagine – that is a rumor to keep the shadows and necromancers busy. I suppose I must travel and fry this guy with a psyball…dang. I hate to astral travel anymore. Every time I get to the astral plane - I am singled out to be searched, they go through my emotional baggage. They say it is for my own psychic self-defense… Even with my Atlantian Supreme Potentate badge and hat. Once I was accused of transporting ancient wisdom without a permit…me! Now with so many folks traveling on the astral plane, there just isn't the rune to move like there used to be. You may want to stay away from this fellow, when I show up…did you ever see Highlander? (LOL) :smoker:

ihcoyc	13 Nov 2002
Have no fear. Even if this fellow's predictions come true and Atlantis rises once more out of the sea, as Emperor of Mu I promise our eternally victorious forces shall crush the upstart Atlanteans and drive them back into the deep.

DarkElectric	13 Nov 2002
Wow, Kiama, you sure live in interesting times. I have read about/herad about the existance of Atlantis a lot lately, and there is an undersea site that has just been found where unexpected ruins are located. I personally believe, however, that Atlantis may have been an ancient city once, but was lost due to unstable geology. I also think that whatever was there probably had a mythology/technology similar to that of ancient Egypt, and was actually sunk around that period in history. Maybe the biblical mythos of the "Great Flood" could have been a recount of oceanic phenomena caused by major tectonic plate shifting, and an actual portion of a continental plate sinking, thus flooding the remaining landmass, I don't know. Either way, legend alone has survived Atlantis. I personally would be somewhat leery of any self proclaimed "leader" of anything. There have been a lot of so called "Spiritual Leaders and Chosen Ones". Like the Heaven's Gate guy, David Koresh, and that other dude who was a "Chosen One" who had his whole following kill themselves somewhere in South America or something. You are such a good kid, and curiosity is a good thing. Just watch out for the flakes, is all.

Diana	13 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by ihcoyc Have no fear. Even if this fellow's predictions come true and Atlantis rises once more out of the sea, as Emperor of Mu I promise our eternally victorious forces shall crush the upstart Atlanteans and drive them back into the deep. ihcoyc: I always knew there was something odd about you. Your true nature has now been revealed. Actually, I personally believe that Atlantis definitely existed, but I doubt that this chap that Kiama is talking about is the True Leader of anything except of a Load of Nonsense. Forget him, Kiama.

allibee	13 Nov 2002
Kiama, two things: 1) There is a very fine line between being a genius and being a lunatic ... just ask Mrs Einstein. 2) Just what sort of University is this anyway?, lolol Umbrae: Thank you for that, its the best laugh I've had in ages :D :D :D Have one on me :smoker: allibee

violinlily	13 Nov 2002
Umbrae: that was great! I'm sry for my employees, they never listen to me. I'm always telling them that anyone wearing the "Atlantian Supreme Potentate" badge has no need to be searched. again, I'm sry. LOL. tarotphelia: that make 3 of us!! I think I might b a nut-magnet too..... is this a good thing??? this part is hopefully more-philosopical, probably not though: i think atlantis did exist, and that like some other ancient civilizations, the people just up-and-left. I need to brush up on my history, but one civilization that just disappeared was the Maya (or was that the Aztecs.......). Also, the guy probably just wanted attention, I guess. Or that hypothetical psychiatrist is right, he needs help. violinlily

Sea Sprite	13 Nov 2002
Kiama, I do believe that Atlantis did at one time exist. I doubt that this guy is the Leader or Chosen One except for maybe the Loony Bin. ;)

ihcoyc	13 Nov 2002
What I want to know is, what does Aquaman say about this?

New River	13 Nov 2002
Hi Kiama, taroholic and possible nut magnet! :D it's weird that i just took time out from practicing my psyballs to read this but the voices from command central gave me no choice. :) i'd like to consider this guy free entertainment too but with the price of Uni these days, i'd say not! i sure could use a few ppl like him to cheer me up tho. and i'd sure like to see one of those fireballs too. i think that would have been the first thing i asked him. seriously tho, its good that you question ppl like this. reality can be a slippery thing to hold on to for those predisposed to chemical imbalances in the brain. one can probably check the # of followers this guy has to see how 'real' he is. besides, if umbrae says he's the real Chosen One who could argue? :P i only hope you keep telling us about these folks you are meeting out there. i can really use the smile. love and blessings :* New River

Dark Inquisitor	13 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by violinlily tarotphelia: that make 3 of us!! I think I might b a nut-magnet too..... is this a good thing??? violinlily [/b] It only works out well for the nuts- ! Here are some hints to help you out: -Dress conservatively. -Avoid eye contact, but never let them out of your sight. -Say NO & nothing else! -Learn to ignore all whining, sniveling, pleading , & threatening. -Practice how to spot them: the dead give away is that they are looking for you & you are not looking for them! -Keep a rock in your purse. _Run! Tarotphelia

violinlily	13 Nov 2002
tarotphelia: I try to do that, but they always seem to come anyway...... well, I hope figure skating helps w/ the running, hmmmm, i'll have to work on the rock..... but thanx, I'll remember those tips next time I run into (well, I guess, when they run into me) another nut....... thanks again, violinlily

truthsayer	13 Nov 2002
perhaps your field should be psychology, kiama. that way we could call you the nut cracker. LOL ;) seriously though, could this guy be a new UK secret weapon who's temporarily escaped from secret service keepers? i have to warn you though, i hear this james bond fellow they send on retrieval ops like this is a real lady killer. ;) okay, scotty! beam me up!

zorya	13 Nov 2002
ya know... i always suspected there was something up with umbrae. for example... no normal mortal could have that many planets all in one sign.... all in the sign of aries..... hmmm, aries.... fire sign.... fire balls..... oh my gawd!!!!!! })

Kiama	14 Nov 2002
You guys crack me up.. Umbrae, oh Chosen One, I bow down to your almighty power and wisdom! (can I please have your badge though?!) One thing I forgot to mention... This guy is my best friend. *Kiama ducks the custard pies and stuff being thrown at her* Behind all the Atlantean leader stuff, he has some very good ideas, and I have had some amazing philosophy discussions with him that have really helped me draw some conclusions about stuff... I am so glad that you guys all think he's talking rubbish. I really am in the stage where I am questioning EVERYTHING... Including reality and the powers of the mind, etc... I need the odd grounding every now and then, and what better than to get good advice and a little humour from my sensible and cool friends on Aeclectic... But psyballs.... Gotta learn how to make me some of those! Kiama

violinlily	15 Nov 2002
Kiama: sry bout callin ur friend a nut!!! My best friend has been called nuts, insane, unstable (among other more explicit things which I cannot mention). I know how ya feel, and again, I'm sorry!! forgiven?? :) violinlily :TPC

Kiama	16 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by violinlily Kiama: sry bout callin ur friend a nut!!! My best friend has been called nuts, insane, unstable (among other more explicit things which I cannot mention). I know how ya feel, and again, I'm sorry!! forgiven?? :) violinlily :TPC I wasn't upset about peopel calling him a nut: I'm getting used to it now! What I really need to know though, is how do I help him? It seems that he does need help with this, but I don't know where to start! Any ideas? Kiama

allibee	16 Nov 2002
That's a toughie.....hmmmm.....are you a psychiatrist? The guy sounds like he may need professional help, but more than likely he's not going to go for that idea any time soon. As I see you can only do two other things, and they are both called Tough Love. First, you can distance yourself from him....only until he sees you are distancing himself - you haven't gone far in real terms - until he asks 'why?' Second, you could remark along the lines of: Can you show me some of those psyballs you can manifest, I'd like to see one, I want to learn how to do it. He'll either put up or shut up. Or, you can do both allibee

fairyhedgehog	16 Nov 2002
You can only help someone who wants to be helped. So unless he wants your help, you will just screw your own head up by taking responsibility for trying to help him. He is his own responsibility, unless he becomes a danger to himself or others. And you are your responsibility. It's up to you to keep yourself safe, whatever that might mean in this relationship. With that proviso (ie, do whatever you need to do to stay safe) I would say just be honest with him. Phrases I have found useful in disagreeing with people include: "that's not how I see it", "that's one way of looking at it" and "well, I take a rather different view". This tends to wind people up less than saying "rubbish", although with good friends I say that too. Or some more colloquial version of rubbish }) But if he is liable to do something dangerous, I would just agree with everything he says and keep out of his way.

violinlily	16 Nov 2002
hey everybody! My friend is weird, but he doesn't throw psyballs..... at least I think........ but anyway, what's worked for me is I watch him from the sidelines, then try to copy what he says/does. Then he asks "what the heck are u doing, that's really stupid." then I say "I'm being you, that's what you look like to the rest of the world (except me, cause I don't judge you)." that usually shuts him up, and makes him act normally for the time being, and gives him somehting to think about later. I hope this might help, violinlily (I spelled my name wrong AGAIN, lol :)) :TPC

ihcoyc	16 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Kiama But psyballs.... Gotta learn how to make me some of those! Take about 1/2 pound of ectoplasm, an equal amount of sifted white flour, 2 cups sugar, 2 eggs, and a tablespoon of vanilla extract. Beat together and form into balls about 1 1/2 inches across. Place on greased cookie sheet and bake at 375 for about 15 minutes or until brown.

raeanne	16 Nov 2002
Hi all, Psyballs are for real. Hold your hands together like you are forming a ball. Focus energy coming in from the top of your head and out through your hands. Feel the energy build up inside the space between your hands. Bring in more energy and add it in. Keep doing this until you feel the pressure between your hands. This isn't all that hard to do. The difficult part comes when you get enough pressure between your hands that you can start making the psyball big enough that you have to pull your hands back a bit. If you get enough energy between your hands, you can begin to "see" the psyball. You can actually see right through it but it looks somewhat like looking through the "heat waves" that you can see coming off a hot roadway in the summer. If you have a good friend to work with, you can put all four hands together and get the psyball formed and then play catch with it. A friend and I made one once and we were playing catch and then he threw it up in the air. We both knew what to do and we held it suspended in the air for about two minutes. Then for some reason it dropped and when it hit the ground he and I both fell on our butts and then we started laughing. It was great fun. We had a couple of other people there at the time and they saw the ball too but they didn't feel the energy push when the ball fell. Try it!

Diana	16 Nov 2002
raeanne: This sounds interesting. Reminds me a bit of Dragon Ball Z. If I try it one day, I'll throw it against a rock with a big "Kamehameha" and see if the rock explodes. (I'm being serious here).

Liliana	16 Nov 2002
I know you are being serious Diana but the thought of you screaming Kamehameha at a rock just cracks me up, i love DragonBall Z lol Now that you mention it, Ive played with psyballs too, I had forgotten. When me and a friend were training we played catch with them, even bounced them off walls and caught them. I dont think we took long enough to make them strong enough the see but we could all feel them. Think it ended in a psyball fight, waiting til someone wasnt paying attention and hitting them on the head with one. It was fun. Never saw a fireball tho ;) :THP

DarkElectric	16 Nov 2002
Drat! I was going to post the recipe for psyballs, but ihcoyc beat me to it.

violinlily	16 Nov 2002
wow. I'm gonna have to try that...... does making psyballs work w/ more than 2 people? now there's two things on my psychic to-do list: 1. dropping toothpicks on flat surface (see the toothpick reading thread, by Umbrae[sry]) 2. try to make a psyball 3. learn to not offend anyone when I post.....

Umbrae	17 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by violinlily …chucking toothpicks at a wall (see the toothpick reading thread, by Kiama< I think) violinlily Divination>Toothpick reading, by Umbrae. You do not want to chuck them at walls. Drop them on a table-top (works best). Careful playing with energy balls. They can be made (you can feel the guys – they become tactile) and it is not a joke. You can send them to people. They are wonderful for distance healing. However, since they are not a joke – they are not a toy. “Oh gee this is fun” can cause damage.

allibee	17 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by violinlily is a fireball when you light the psyball w/ a match?? lol No, its when a bloke sets light to a fart and gets 'blowback', :D allibee

Umbrae	17 Nov 2002
Ah - What we in the States call, "The Blue Flame Club".

violinlily	17 Nov 2002
i'm sry!!! I was trying to make a joke about it, and it obviously didn't work. soooooo sorry :(:(:(:(:( I needed to check the forum bfore I wrote that .........sry umbrae for not giving due credit.....:( i feel soooooooo bad right now!! I know psyballs are a serious thing, but in the context that they were put (like "psyball wars" and throwing them for a while) they were funny. I really think that the toothpick reading sounds cool, and I didn't think (obviously I didn't think) that I would offend anyone!!! sry again!!!!

Diana	17 Nov 2002
((((violonlily)))) I thought your post was funny. One can laugh about serious things too, you know. I'm busy practising saying "Kamehameha" all day long. I think I've got the Japanese accent quite sorted out. Now I'm going to look for a suitable rock and see what will happen. (Got to form a nice psyball first, though.) I've done a few toothpick readings on tables. But hey, there's no law saying you can't throw the toothpicks at a wall! I mean, they're going to fall down on the floor because of gravity, and if your floor has been recently swept, you can do your reading on the floor.

Umbrae	17 Nov 2002
Then again, there is no law in any land, against having fun (btw: phun is my middle name).

violinlily	18 Nov 2002
thanks Diana, I feel better. :) sry again Umbrae. All I'll say is ok. And I hate my middle name. It's a crappy one (well that's what I think, and it ain't phun at all). lol. and Kiama, sry we're screwing up ur thread.....

Kiama	19 Nov 2002
Quote: Originally posted by violinlily and Kiama, sry we're screwing up ur thread..... s'okay! I think I undertstn what I need to do to help my friend now, and you guys have all been really great with your advice and comments! And a little humour every now and then doesn't go amiss. :D:D:D Kiama

Liliana	19 Nov 2002
Yes psyballs work with more than 2 people, techniqueally in my group there were 3, my teacher myself and the other student.And they can be dangerous. If you design them to hurt Im sure they will, especially if you put a lot of energy into them. Also making too many or too strong of one will leave you feeling like crap, you are usiing your own energy to form them and a human body can only release so much energy without feeling like crap. :THP

violinlily	07 Dec 2002
Liliana, thanks, I had forgotten all about this thread until today, when I printed out about the last half of it!! Kiama: I was looking through older threads, and saw this one. I was reading somewhere that someone in a past life lived in another dimension, where fireballs were real, and that people had powers similar to telekinesis. I think that that was somewhere on this site.... I can't remember..... arghhh...... just thought I'd add that,

Arialinna	12 Dec 2002
I have a friend whos family is as weird as I am! She and her cousin used to enteranin them selves for hours with catch the energy ball. she says that as they got older they learned to move things with the balls of energy! My spelling is hopeless!!!! HEHEHEHEHE!! I just realized that what I said is funny!!!! (if you do not get the joke look at what I said about my spelling and then look at my sig!)

DeLani	13 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by ihcoyc Take about 1/2 pound of ectoplasm, an equal amount of sifted white flour, 2 cups sugar, 2 eggs, and a tablespoon of vanilla extract. Beat together and form into balls about 1 1/2 inches across. Place on greased cookie sheet and bake at 375 for about 15 minutes or until brown. Oh, I have a slightly different version of that recipie. In mine you substitute the ectoplasm with equal amounts of Humbolt county marijuana. :D

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