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reshuffle before drawing clarification card?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 17 Mar 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



SunElf  17 Mar 2002 
Hey there. I'm new. Very new. Just got mah first pack Friday new... =)

Anyway, my question is. You know how you can draw another card after you do a spread in order to get clarification, find out how to do something the cards suggest, etc. Well... my question is: Do you reshuffle before you draw this card?

It makes sense to me to reshuffle, because you're asking a new question and so the cards have to be reput in order for this new question. Or... does it already know you're going to be asking this question? :) Or is this another one of those: Whatever feels right go ahead and do it, type of things?

Thanks you in advance :D 


Liliana  17 Mar 2002 
EVERYTHING in tarot is one of those do what feels right things :) Anyway,I wouldnt reshuffle because its still answering the same question you originally shuffled for. But if you want ti shuffle go ahead :) (maybe i dont want to reshuffle cause im bad at it ;) ) 


Thirteen  17 Mar 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by SunElf
Hey there. I'm new. Very new. Just got mah first pack Friday new... =)

Anyway, my question is. You know how you can draw another card after you do a spread in order to get clarification, find out how to do something the cards suggest, etc. Well... my question is: Do you reshuffle before you draw this card?


It's certainly up to you, but usually no. Imagine you have a querent. You have them shuffle the deck and you lay out the spread (we'll assume you're flipping off the top--not fanning--that's a whole other thread). Now the shuffled deck is "keyed" to the querent and their question. So if you need clarification on any of the cards, you just flip another card off the top next to the card you need clarified.

Were you to shuffle the deck, you would tune it to a new question. Not the old one which it's working on. If you get my drift. 


DeLani  19 Mar 2002 
All these answers are right - and you intuitively know what is right for you - you said yourself: "Is it just whatever feels right, do it."
Of course!
The way I do it is to look at the bottom card. But either way works. If it is a particular card that is troublesome, or if the outcome seems vague or confusing, I put that card down as a significator, shuffle again while concentrating on asking, "what is this card trying to tell me?" and lay out a 5-card spread:
1. the question, what the card is addressing
2. the background
3. the querent
4. the surroundings
5. the answer or advice.
Hope that helps,
DeLani 


Temperance413  19 Mar 2002 
Just curious, which pack did you buy? :) 


SunElf  19 Mar 2002 
I bought the Crowley Thoth deck... I thought about getting the more traditional Rider-Waite learning deck, but Crowley spoke to me and when I tried to walk away with the RW... Crowley jumped into my back pocket ;x Well, at least... that's what it seemed like :) 


SunElf  20 Mar 2002 
I have another question related to shuffling ;x Hopefully someone will happen to read this again and entertain me. So, I've decided not to shuffle, but then I get my next question, how long can we keep drawing cards with new sub-questions before we should start shuffling again? I mean... It seems to me that after a certain number of cards being taken off the top, the cards aren't going to mean much anymore... Unless my theory that the cards actually switch faces and places in the seconds before you flip them over is true (Which, I don't think it is, but, dang, that'd be so cool if it was... o.O Someone should work on proving or disproving that) Anyway, back to the question at hand. Am I trying to look into this too much again? Another one o' those stock: Do whatever feels right, type of things? :)

Thanks for listening to my rambling :D 


lunar_rabbit  23 Mar 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by SunElf
how long can we keep drawing cards with new sub-questions before we should start shuffling again? I mean... It seems to me that after a certain number of cards being taken off the top, the cards aren't going to mean much anymore...


This may or may not answer your question... it may just make you think I'm weird. LOL. So here is my long jumbled answer to your somewhat simple question....

In my thinking, the tarot deck like a person that you are having a conversation with. First, you tell her your problems and the stories behind it (just a metaphor for thinking about your situation as you shuffle). Then you ask a question, and the deck answers. You can ask for clarification on a few things and the deck will be helpful. But after a while, the deck kind of poops out. Like a person would get annoyed if you asked them 35 questions in a row. (think of a 4 year old with their "why?") I feel like the deck says "GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! I answered your damn questions, but it is YOUR job to interpret it."

Where do you think the tarot answers come from? Many people believe it is God or Goddess or your spirit guides. Many people think it is accessing your own link to the universal consciousness that knows all. Others feel it is really finding the own answers within yourself. In any case, I know that I for one would not want any of those entities pissed off at me! ;-)

You know how when you overanalyze and obsess about an issue, how it gets even more jumbled? I think that happens with tarot decks too. That is why sometimes they require cleansing... or the tarot deck "reboot" as I like to call it. :-D 


Celtic_Dragon  29 Jun 2003 
First off, I'm sooo glad I found this thread. I just *knew* it was on this forum ever since I first signed up.

Second,
Quote:
Originally posted by lunar_rabbit
Like a person would get annoyed if you asked them 35 questions in a row. (think of a 4 year old with their "why?") I feel like the deck says "GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! I answered your damn questions, but it is YOUR job to interpret it."

You know how when you overanalyze and obsess about an issue, how it gets even more jumbled? I think that happens with tarot decks too. That is why sometimes they require cleansing... or the tarot deck "reboot" as I like to call it. :-D


I've never thought of it in that way, but it's also like...well duh! Thanks!

(I'm so glad I found this thread....so glad I found this thread....so glad I found this thread.......I found it!! woo-hoo!) 


Trogon  30 Jun 2003 
Well... since Celtic_Dragon revived this thread, perhaps I'll kick in my tuppence worth.

On drawing clarification cards... As was already said, do what feels right. For me, I don't reshuffle in this instance. Rather, I usually will either just draw the next card off the top of the deck, or kind of fan out the deck and pick whatever "feels" right. This is especially true when I'm doing a reading over the internet and the querrent isn't physically present to draw the card themselves. On the other hand, if the querrent is physically present, I just fan the cards out on the table and let them pick one. This works very well also.

As for shuffling during a reading... if a person has questions stemming directly from their first question and still relating to the current reading, I'll try to answer them as well as possible from the cards I've already layed out. If needed I might draw one or two clarification cards. If, however the question seems different enough, I'll gather all the cards, reshuffle and do another reading.

Thats how I do it anyway... though this is subject to change without notice. 


Umbrae  30 Jun 2003 
Clarification cards mean you don’t get it, the meaning, the import…and that’s okay – stick with me here…

When folks are new, they often have a tendency to ‘over read’. If they do not like or understand a reading, they do a second ‘clarifying’ reading, and then perhaps another ‘clarify the clarification’…

You want to learn how the cards work and speak for you; not how your ego speaks for the cards.

When you sit down and your mind goes blank, and you get nothing…most readers panic. Nothing, unfortunately is feared. So many folks simply say, “Perhaps it wasn’t meant to be…”

Nothing is an opportunity. A huge opportunity – and you only get so many of those.

See here’s the deal. Nothing is significant, because it signifies a struggle between the head and heart, the left-brain and the right-brain; the mundane and the psychic.

Now I ask you, who, or which will win?

If you fight the nothingness, the brain will win, you’ll think you can think yourself out of the problem and lose in the end. But if you submit, yield to the nothingness…embrace it as it embraces you…

Part of the issue is that all these books assume that Tarot is a science-like endevour – ask a question get an answer.

Tarot is an art – you cannot be a Picasso overnight. And you may find you are Picasso trying to be Mozart…

There are some articles out in the Text section that I believe you may like…happy hunting! 


Trogon  03 Jul 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Umbrae
Clarification cards mean you don’t get it, the meaning, the import…and that’s okay – stick with me here…

When folks are new, they often have a tendency to ‘over read’. If they do not like or understand a reading, they do a second ‘clarifying’ reading, and then perhaps another ‘clarify the clarification’…
I can see how this might be how some people utilize clarifying cards. However, this is quite off from how I use them. If, during a reading, I come look at a card and it "speaks" to me (so to speak), but the message is confusing to me, or I am unsure of how it applies to the querrent and their question... this is when I draw a clarifying card. It helps me with clarifying a message which I am already getting.

But, Umbrae, I do feel that you are right about that idea of "nothing". If I get a card and, initially, see nothing with it... thats when I like to close my eyes and just be open to whatever pops up first. This is something that I learned a while back from posts and discussions here on the A.T. forums. These are also a good time to ask a querrent what they might be "seeing" on, or in, the card. 


full deck  04 Jul 2003 
Well say I play a "C" on the piano. Is that "C" the tonic, is it the third of an Ab major chord -- or is it part of f minor? So . . . you play a second note which gives you a relationship to the first. Picking the second note reduced the possibilities of "what" C could be.

Like such, a "clarification" card -- in the context of a very small spread -- might help but say one does not know harmony or theory. What then? A deck of cards is just a tool, no "answer" comes from the cards. The craftsman or artist is the one that uses the tool, thus if you are not able to sublimate the knowledge of how to use the tool, one will never be able to work through the tool; the tool will, rather, work the artist, resulting in less than desirable results, unless one is just a fearsome, natural prodigy at pulling rabbits out of hats.

Just how many cards will one pull before they think they know something . . . ? 


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