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Year Card being 11... Strength or Justice?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 09 Aug 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.



Kahlie  09 Aug 2004 
I moved from a year 10 The Wheel which was very apt for my past year into a year 11...

I keep wondering... Would that be a Strength or a Justice year...

Some things that happened I tie in with Strenght, and others I tie in with Justice... I was curious as to what other people would pick as their year card if it's 11...

Also, I have felt a closer connection between the two cards I had not noticed before.

Justice talks about cutting away old things that you don't need. Judging others, being judged, making decisions, trying to do what is right. Big adjustments are coming into my life this past few months since I started my Year 11.

But... before you make those decisions, and how to cope with those decisions, that's where I feel Strength is tied in. Showing my strenght, being patient and compassionate...
I need that quiet strength in this year.

I wondered what others think on my thoughts and on year 11. 


Diana  09 Aug 2004 
That is one hell of a tricky question. And also one which I don't think has a set answer.

I personally don't believe anymore in these years based on Tarot meanings of cards. I think each year we experience all 22 Major Arcana. And that we can draw our inspiration from them all.

Why exactly do you need to know what your Year card is?

I bet you if there had been a mistake in your year of birth.. and you thought you were now in an Empress year or something... that you would find a billion things which fit in with an Empress year - upright and/or reversed. 


Diana  09 Aug 2004 
I just want to add something.

There is this wonderful French tarologist, Georges Colleuil, who has designed an incredible system he has called the Tarot Referential (I will give you all the link to his web-site as soon as he has put up some pages in English which I have been helping him with - should be ready in a few weeks time).

In his Tarot Referential, he also has a "house" which changes each year, according to the date of birth.

I asked him what he would do with my father, who apparently was born on January 1st, 1910, but quite frankly, I don't think he was. Due to a story which is not relevant to this thread, he could very possibly have been born in 1909.

Georges told me that, for the Referential, I must consider the year of by Dad's birth to be 1910, because that is the energy he was "living" in... even if it was not the true date.

I think I understood what he meant. That it doesn't really matter the year we are born in. It is the energy we put into our lives that counts. But maybe I understood him wrong.

Am I making sense? 


Kahlie  09 Aug 2004 
Quote:
That is one hell of a tricky question. And also one which I don't think has a set answer.


Yes, I know there is no set answer, that is why I asked people what their thoughts on the year cards are. As ever, I was curious as to what people to stick by.

Quote:

I personally don't believe anymore in these years based on Tarot meanings of cards. I think each year we experience all 22 Major Arcana. And that we can draw our inspiration from them all.


While I agree that each year we will have aspects of all the cards in our lives... if I had to pick one card that would represent my last year, it would definatly be the Wheel and no other card. There isn't even another card that would come close to the spinning of the wheel and the major chances and things that seemed like "fate" that happened to me in the past year.

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Why exactly do you need to know what your Year card is?


Because I am as ever curious... and I wonder if this next year will also tie in closely to a card.

Quote:

I bet you if there had been a mistake in your year of birth.. and you thought you were now in an Empress year or something... that you would find a billion things which fit in with an Empress year - upright and/or reversed.


Actually no... thinking on all the cards, if I had to pick what would have a major influence on my life... Hmm.. definatly not the Empress... 


Diana  09 Aug 2004 
Quote:
Originally posted by Kahlie
Justice talks about cutting away old things that you don't need. Judging others, being judged, making decisions, trying to do what is right. Big adjustments are coming into my life this past few months since I started my Year 11.


There is no arcanum in the Tarot that speaks of Adjustment more than Justice.

Balancing out one's life.

Anyway, Strength as number 11 is only a personal whim of Arthur Waite. It doesn't make sense numerologically. 


Kahlie  09 Aug 2004 
Thanks for the input Diana...

While my french is not the best, if you would put a link up to the french pages, I'd be happy to try to sort those out, I'm very curious.

I don't use the Rider-Waite and I only recently started my Tarot Studies so I don't know much about why the order was switched, I only know both the orders exists, which is why I was wondering what people would choose. 


Diana  09 Aug 2004 
Quote:
Originally posted by Kahlie
While my french is not the best, if you would put a link up to the french pages, I'd be happy to try to sort those out, I'm very curious.


His French web-site doesn't give details on the Referential, because there are two books devoted to it available in bookshops. We are just working on an introduction to the Anglo-Saxon world of his Referential and we thought that the first step would be to talk of it on his web-site. The French web-site is here: http://www.georgescolleuil.com/

Personally, I could never work with Strength as 8, and Justice as 11. 


TemperanceAngel  09 Aug 2004 
I have found my year cards (I have just come into a Chariot year), to be very useful in my life and have followed them for 15 years.

Like Diana says you can draw inspiration from all two 22 Majors. I still find the year card has special purpose and it's great to meditate/study one arcana for a whole year, so much insight!

As for the Strength/Justice issue you can go with what your heart tells you.

OR, even better, utilize both cards, as I do with my astrology. I am born on the cusp and this is not an Astrology thread so I won't go into all my planetary allignments. But I draw on the qualities of two planets/signs.

You are very lucky becasue you can draw on the "strength" (pardon the pun) of two cards this year :) and what a great two cards! 


Pook  09 Aug 2004 
I have often wondered the same thing in terms of my soul and personality cards. Since my personality card is an 11, (which reduces my soul card to 2) I sometimes wonder which aspect my personality truly mimics more. In truth I believe its justice, but I think it's true because I try for it to be.

Diana, do you use the soul/personality cards or do you think them as much rubbish as the year cards? 


Luminessence  09 Aug 2004 
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Originally posted by MoonDreameR
I have often wondered the same thing in terms of my soul and personality cards. Since my personality card is an 11, (which reduces my soul card to 2) I sometimes wonder which aspect my personality truly mimics more. In truth I believe its justice, but I think it's true because I try for it to be.


My personality card is 11, too, which is why I was wondering about this same issue awhile ago. I'm used to working with Strength as 8 and Justice as 11, but Justice really doesn't fit as my personality card, whereas Strength really does. 


Diana  10 Aug 2004 
Quote:
Originally posted by MoonDreameR
Diana, do you use the soul/personality cards or do you think them as much rubbish as the year cards?


I wouldn't go so far as calling these beliefs rubbish. Our lives after all do have some kind of fatality behind them - although we can do a lot to guide them in the direction we wish them to take. I also believe that the planets have a strong influence over our lives.

The idea bothers me for a number of reasons. One of them being, what method is used for relying on these year/soul/personality cards? And WHY is this method used? Who made this method up?

When people use astrology, they can show us almost scientifically why they use it. When people use the method of soul cards or whatever, they've just read it in some usually new-agey kind of book. I personally have never read anywhere of the reasoning behind this method. I distrust very much using methods to base my life existence on which cannot be explained to me in a rational way.

What bothers me also is the fact that people can use these cards as excuses not to get on with their life.

If I personally wanted to know my year card (I have no wish to though - I tried it though in the past - can't remember which new-agey method I used, possibly Mary Greer's), I would do a long meditation to get as centered as possible and get rid of my ego for just a few minutes... and then draw just one card from the Major Arcana. Before drawing it, I would say quietly: "Which Major Arcana could help me the most this year on my life's quest?"

To answer your original question. I think soul/personality Tarot cards that are based on your year-of-birth even more "dangerous" than year cards. I wouldn't call them rubbish though.

Now, this doesn't mean that these cards cannot come in useful. Any Arcanum can help us get on in life and understand where we are going.

And like I said above, Georges Colleuil's system which I have studied in some depth, is a wonderful therapeutic way of dealing with one's life and I am really excited that we are soon going to start introducing it to the Anglo-Saxon world. 


Kahlie  10 Aug 2004 
I guess it all depends on how much influence you let your Personality Card/Year Card put on you.

As soon as you try to push yourself in the framework of the Card... you are doing something that might rob you from many other choices and oppertunities.

Since I'm new to Tarot, it's just nice to see which Card influences you the most and how you learn from that, and I was pleasantly suprised when I realised that my own convictions about what is important in my life are mirrored by my personality card.

As to how you arrive at the Card... I think it's important it has meaning to you. I don't know exactly how Tarot works, only that it does. I don't know which techniques it draws on, only what I experience as I read and what I feel. I leave it at that. So I'm not bothered that the year/personality/shadow cards have no explanation as to why you should count the numbers. 


Luminessence  11 Aug 2004 
Quote:
Originally posted by Diana I personally don't believe anymore in these years based on Tarot meanings of cards. I think each year we experience all 22 Major Arcana. And that we can draw our inspiration from them all.

Why exactly do you need to know what your Year card is?

I bet you if there had been a mistake in your year of birth.. and you thought you were now in an Empress year or something... that you would find a billion things which fit in with an Empress year - upright and/or reversed.


I do think this is true to a certain extent. I could find aspects of pretty much any card in this year of my life. The Fool? Yep. Magician? Yep. High Priestess? Yep. Empress? Yep. And so on.

However, now I believe in the Year Cards a bit more. See, using the method of calculation I had been using, my Year Card was Justice. I could see elements of that card in my year, just as I could see elements of most of the other cards, but it really didn't seem to fit all that well. So I figured the system just wasn't that accurate for me. Then I tried another method of calculation. This made my year card Judgment. And wow - that fit amazingly well. The theme of my year is Reclamation, which definitely fits in with the Judgment card. I can see aspects of most of the cards in my year, but with this card the influence is more than that.

And could it be coincidence? Of course. And just because it works this year, I don't necessarily expect it to work for every other year. But even if it does consistently work for me, that doesn't mean it will work for everyone. I firmly believe that some of these systems fit some people, whereas others fit other people, and conversely, some systems just don't fit some people. For example, numerology describes me perfectly. But astrology just doesn't work for me.

(Interestingly enough, when I'm working out the number for my year using numerology instead of tarot, it works better using my first method of calculation - making this an 11 year for me, rather than a 2 year.) 


The Year Card being 11... Strength or Justice? thread was originally posted on 09 Aug 2004 in the Using Tarot Cards board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Using Tarot Cards, or read more archived threads.

 
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