knight of cups vs the page of cups

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 13 Oct 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

krazymayj	13 Oct 2004
in all my time reading i was entranced by the workings of both the page and knight of cups. they, like the pent knight and page have their own similarities. the knight has been said as an entrance, a seductive man. the knight of cups i knew were all philanderers, womens men, magicians in the art of seduction, all good looking. the reversed knights i know are all either good looking with some tiny little personality quirk, or minor physical imperfection. unnoticeable at first, but once you get to know them, you want to get away from them. the other side of this knightx i have known is that in the absence of any physical personality or physical quirk, there is only really two more things that can affect the area of relationships which cups addresses; compatibility. that said, the knight could be gay, or spoken for. being gay outlines one of the classic meanings for this card; "a man who is good looking, but there is something about his personality..." what we see is a good looking man, but we dont see what lies beneath... bad teeth, horrible body odour, things that make a man leave or force someone to leave him, or basically make him like "oh well, its a shame he ruined himself like that" that is just physical things about the court as a person. he could, theoretically, in the absence of all other possibities, be infected with some sort of contagious disease, and know one knows. now the page. much like the knight this page is a mystery at first. the mystery intrigues the curious. once again we see only the appearance, and not what lies beneath. this page could be a queen of cups reversed in disguise, or a jealous wife beater like some kings. we dont know. what we do know, is that this person is quiet, shy, for what reasons we can only guess, social fear, shame, feelings of inadequecy, or perhaps he is a sage.... the page is a pretender, like the knight, and so is also in the act of coercing or convincing, in the next possible conclusion, he is an amazing individual in every sense of the word, a true fine heart... what do you think?

SteveGlick	14 Oct 2004
When reading these cards, I usualy have to look at the context that they are put in. Personaly though my view on it could be of that of age or types of attaction. You could say something like the Page could be something of a younger lover, or something of an infatuation. The knight could be someone of the same age, or a "true love". The queen or king could be an older love (depending on situation) or something of a Motherly or Fatherly love. The king could also be something of being more controlling lover, or someone who directs or takes control of the relationship.

Maelin	15 Oct 2004
I guess it depends on whether these are people or not. If people, I see the page as a person who is very close to their emotions - a young person who wears their heart on their sleeve. It's hard to be an older person with that much innocence! Knights are more active than pages, and the knight is a young man ( ususally, although I have known a few female knights of cups) who is emotional and impetuous. Reversed is where I see the 'womanizer" or charletan, Upright they are the fellows who fall in love at the drop of a hat, and just as easily out of love when reality cannot meet the dream. When they aren't people, I see the page of cups as a message from your subconscious, while the knight of cups is a call to be more outgoing with your emotions - to act on them.

ros	15 Oct 2004
Holy Christmas I use the knights as people that make you aware or move that element in your life and the pages is a beginning of the element changing in your life. Too much info for me, but I understand what you are saying.

Ace	16 Oct 2004
krazymayj, are you talking of men you met that you assign Kn of Cups to? In the Robin Wood deck, then Knight literally has his heart on his sleeve (it isn't easy to see, but there is a tiny pick dot on the mail) but upright knights aren't all that bad. It sounds like you have had a lot of bad experiences with men so you see all lovers (and the Knight of Cups is often a lover) as bad. The thing is, Women fall in love with their ears, men with their eyes (I don't know who told me that, but it is TRUE). Kn of Cups brings messages of love, and you believe them, but it is TALK not neccessarily action. So be wary of Kn of Cups men, but don't automatically hate them (IMHO)

firemaiden	16 Oct 2004
I see the page of cups as a sensitive young girl, and the knight of cups as a romantic lover.

WalesWoman	17 Oct 2004
Being as how these cards seemed to be in my readings today... this is really interesting. Cups are passive, even though love is something else. So I see the Knight as stuck mid stream, testing the waters and not too keen on getting his feet wet, caught up in emotion but not really doing anything about it, not acting responsibly or taking action. The romantic dreamer. He is afraid or too immature to make committments, maybe more infatuated with the ideal of love but has yet to experience the real thing. Definately one to fall in love at the drop of a hat or the wink of an eye. The page is even more idealistic, yet innocent. Wisdom from the mouth of babes. The fish in the cup is about wisdom, gaining wisdom and awareness, so for a real person I would think of this as discovering their first crush, their first love, that there is a lot yet to learn about this thing called love. Also intuition, what you can learn from it. another thought was Use your wisdom when dealing with emotion. Don't lose your head.

krazymayj	01 Nov 2004
yes, exactly. when a man does the little things to seduce a woman, he is instantly a knight of cups. until after he's done, then he's reversed. ive seen it a million times. the innocent page, as an old man, maybe one in a trillion. but still, what a beautifull person. then the page actually becomes the seduced. yet when reversed, he is the seducer, making the knight think HE's the one doing the seducing.

northsea	02 Nov 2004
I see the page of cups as piglet as described in the tao of pooh books.

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