La Force
I have been thoroughly enjoying The Cosmic Tarot deck.
I have owned this deck for a month and have intensely studied it, to the point my head feels like the 10 of swords, lol. I have had always wanted this deck for 10 years, however in my travels I seemed to have kept missing it. Therefore I took it as that it wasn't the right time for me. no worries. I plunged myself deep into other Tarot decks.
What attracted me so much to this deck you ask? There was something deep within the images, what was below the surface imagery that was depicted on the cards. Each time I googled images of it, I was trapped, bound into a boundless, timeless, space, with no words. I still get trapped into it's imagery, and not fully able to put my finger on it.
I read many reviews, watch many video reviews, read many threads here on AT about this deck. The more I read the more I had to get this deck. I at the time, deeply felt it was the perfect deck for that moment in your life of learning Tarot. "A Deck for every moment". In all that is written about this deck, it is clearly stated that Norbert Losche, simplified the imagery with minimal symbolic references.
"In creating this new Tarot, my intention is to make the old knowledge accessible and understandable to everyone by using as few secret symbols as possible. In this way people can grasp the meaning without knowing the old secret doctrines of astrology, cabalistic numerology, and the tree of life."
Wow I thought great, I have used and studied Kabbalah/Cabala with my most fav Traditional decks ( CBD Tarot Marseilles, RWS, Thoth ). Now with 3 decks alone the Kabbalah/Cabala system is some what different. how you may ask (CBD Tarot marseilles) follows (Wirth, Levi, Papus) (RWS) follows Golden Dawn, and then the (Thoth) also follows the Golden dawn, with changes/correction by AC. to the Kabbalah/Cabala Hebrew letters and the tree of life.
The Cosmic Tarot - has it's own Tree of Life that doesn't follow traditional systems of 500 yrs.
Hmmmmm so this where my huge question has now appeared.
Within the the first few days of owning this beautifully drawn deck, I started to notice little things, that made me go hmmmm. Then as time went on and the deeper I plunged into this deck, the more complicated it became cause it turns out there a discrepancies in the artwork as well in the system the Norbert Losche build this deck on.
The Court Cards don't follow any traditional Zodiac/Astrology that is in any of the Tarot decks of past, even The Mandala Astrological Tarot by A.T. Mann is more correct than the Cosmic Tarot Deck.
In all that I've read, not anyone had noticed this, I mean no one, I ask how could this have been missed? especially with all the hype over this deck.
Here is a link to a Thread I just posted today in the Study group
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=200936
As you can see;
The Queens, first become the Kings, then they become the Knights.
The Kings become the queens
The Princes become the Kings
then there is this change, subtle at first, then noticeably huge later.
Prince (Fixed) - Fire
Queens (Mutable) - Water
Kings (Cardinal) - Air
What do you notice that is wrong here? with the above Cosmic Tarot Courts
Traditional:
yod - Fire
Heh - Water
Vau - Air
Atziluth - Fire
Briah - Water
Yetzirah - Air
Chokmah - Fire
Binah - Water
Tiphareth - Air
Which Changes their placement on the Tree of Life (Sephiroth/Spheres)
Next I can assure you the cards from 2 - 10 also change due to their astrological assignments.
So My questions are of many I will start with Help please?
The Major Arcana - I can sort of deal with, for only two cards seem messed up. Justice and Strength. I can switchs these around by ignoring it's numeral value of 8 and 11.
However I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that I would need to revamp the tree of life (not the paths - Major acrana) but the Sephiroths/Spheres ( Card placements )
Anyone please with deep knowledge of history with the various ways Kabbalah/Cabala - Tree of Life has been applied to the tarot cards, to help me make use of this deck.
again I have many questions. would really like some help.
I have owned this deck for a month and have intensely studied it, to the point my head feels like the 10 of swords, lol. I have had always wanted this deck for 10 years, however in my travels I seemed to have kept missing it. Therefore I took it as that it wasn't the right time for me. no worries. I plunged myself deep into other Tarot decks.
What attracted me so much to this deck you ask? There was something deep within the images, what was below the surface imagery that was depicted on the cards. Each time I googled images of it, I was trapped, bound into a boundless, timeless, space, with no words. I still get trapped into it's imagery, and not fully able to put my finger on it.
I read many reviews, watch many video reviews, read many threads here on AT about this deck. The more I read the more I had to get this deck. I at the time, deeply felt it was the perfect deck for that moment in your life of learning Tarot. "A Deck for every moment". In all that is written about this deck, it is clearly stated that Norbert Losche, simplified the imagery with minimal symbolic references.
"In creating this new Tarot, my intention is to make the old knowledge accessible and understandable to everyone by using as few secret symbols as possible. In this way people can grasp the meaning without knowing the old secret doctrines of astrology, cabalistic numerology, and the tree of life."
Wow I thought great, I have used and studied Kabbalah/Cabala with my most fav Traditional decks ( CBD Tarot Marseilles, RWS, Thoth ). Now with 3 decks alone the Kabbalah/Cabala system is some what different. how you may ask (CBD Tarot marseilles) follows (Wirth, Levi, Papus) (RWS) follows Golden Dawn, and then the (Thoth) also follows the Golden dawn, with changes/correction by AC. to the Kabbalah/Cabala Hebrew letters and the tree of life.
The Cosmic Tarot - has it's own Tree of Life that doesn't follow traditional systems of 500 yrs.
Hmmmmm so this where my huge question has now appeared.
Within the the first few days of owning this beautifully drawn deck, I started to notice little things, that made me go hmmmm. Then as time went on and the deeper I plunged into this deck, the more complicated it became cause it turns out there a discrepancies in the artwork as well in the system the Norbert Losche build this deck on.
The Court Cards don't follow any traditional Zodiac/Astrology that is in any of the Tarot decks of past, even The Mandala Astrological Tarot by A.T. Mann is more correct than the Cosmic Tarot Deck.
In all that I've read, not anyone had noticed this, I mean no one, I ask how could this have been missed? especially with all the hype over this deck.
Here is a link to a Thread I just posted today in the Study group
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=200936
La Force said:Note: The Zodiac signs in the Cosmic Tarot of the King and Queen are switched, different From the RWS and Thoth. example; (cosmic Tarot) Queen of Wands = Sagittarius in Both (RWS & Thoth) Queen of wands is Aries. However once you look at the (Cosmic Tarot) King of Wands he is Aries.
Deck -----------(Cardinal)---------------(Fixed)---------------- (Mutable)
Cosmic --------------Kings-----------------Knights ------------------Queens
Thoth ------------Queens ---------------- Princes ----------------- Knights
Waite ------------ Queens ---------------- Kings ------------------ Knights
Now we know that RWS and Thoth did a switch with the Kings/Princes and the Knights/Kings. It really doesn't affect with placement on the Tree of Life.
Final Conclusion
RWS and Thoth - Tree of Life -------------------------Cosmic Tarot - Tree of Life
Chockmah = Kings ------------------------------------------- Princes = Chockmah
Binah = Queens ---------------------------------------------- Kings = Binah
Tiphereth = Knights ----------------------------------------- Queens = Tiphereth
Malkuth = Pages -------------------------------------------- Princess = Malkuth
As you can see;
The Queens, first become the Kings, then they become the Knights.
The Kings become the queens
The Princes become the Kings
then there is this change, subtle at first, then noticeably huge later.
Prince (Fixed) - Fire
Queens (Mutable) - Water
Kings (Cardinal) - Air
What do you notice that is wrong here? with the above Cosmic Tarot Courts
Traditional:
yod - Fire
Heh - Water
Vau - Air
Atziluth - Fire
Briah - Water
Yetzirah - Air
Chokmah - Fire
Binah - Water
Tiphareth - Air
Which Changes their placement on the Tree of Life (Sephiroth/Spheres)
Next I can assure you the cards from 2 - 10 also change due to their astrological assignments.
So My questions are of many I will start with Help please?
The Major Arcana - I can sort of deal with, for only two cards seem messed up. Justice and Strength. I can switchs these around by ignoring it's numeral value of 8 and 11.
However I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that I would need to revamp the tree of life (not the paths - Major acrana) but the Sephiroths/Spheres ( Card placements )
Anyone please with deep knowledge of history with the various ways Kabbalah/Cabala - Tree of Life has been applied to the tarot cards, to help me make use of this deck.
again I have many questions. would really like some help.