Re: Site lessons in reading TDM
Mari_Hoshizaki said:
http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/papus/vrac.html
It includes minors as well and I've been using the google translator to get the gist of how to read with general suit/numerology descriptions. It seems quite thorough and somehow different than some Italian meanings---it reminds me of the simpler descriptions I read in John Dee's book of the Marseilles based book that has the Ancient Italian Tarot
I don't know the system, but the sample readings seem very insightful and you can actually download the contents in a zip file.
What do others think? Does this seem helpful or strange?
Mari H.
Mari thank you for posting this link. I am curious to know if this system relates to other authors' ways of looking at TdM pips. Rusty Neon, are they similar to the ones in your Paul Marteau book? The correspondances at the Kris Hadar site seem more human, and sometimes more useful. He seems to relate each number back to the major arcana.
I kept wanting to know *why* the numbers mean what they mean. Some of them could come from relating the number back to the major arcana, but not all of them. The meanings for nine and ten seemed particularly different from what I am used to. I thought ten was the number that meant the end of a cycle and beginning of a new one.
Here is a quick translation of the basic meanings of the numbers if that will help us talk about it. My questions are in brackets:
1-beginning, action, a very positive card
2-duality, opposition, dificulty [but why should duality necessarily mean opposition? Other things ¡§two¡¨ could mean are mirroring; truce (as in Nigel Jackson two of swords); choice (as in RWS two of wands)]
The meaning this site gives for two of cups is: opposition, bad intentions, difficulty, rivalry, deception, inquetude.
3-activity, movement, messenger (google says ¡§mail¡¨)
4-the matter has been realized, made firm and real (literally: conversion into money, selling-off); maturity, omen of success
5- renewal, number of knowledge (understanding, learning, struggles) [but *why* would five be the number of struggles? Knowledge and understanding I can understand because of the Pope. Because the golden section is derived from the pentagram five was an important number to Pythagoreans, but the golden section is about harmony and the underlying structure of things so why struggle?]
6- test, put to proof, sacrifice, card of being careful (literally: putting on guard)
7- success, power, positive transformation. [I thought six was the number of Venus and meant harmony?]
8-change, problems, fear of danger [again, *why*? Eight seems so solid, four on top of four]
9- end and beginning again, new cycle
10- evolution, success, a good outcome, hope
Myrrha