Looking for a good Tourcaty scan of the Moon

[Premdas]

Hello everybody,

It appear to me that the Tourcaty Tarot is very important for studies of the Marseille's. I am doing deep researches (already 12 years of passionnate studies) but still I have only bad scans of the Tourcaty deck, I canno't see some details on the flowded pictures. I wonder if one of you guys can help me with that ? Especially, I'd like the Moon's scan (I canno't see if there are drops on the ground), but I am open for more ;-).

Thank you, have a wonderfull day!

 

[Yves Le Marseillais]

Tourcaty Scans

Hello everybody,

It appear to me that the Tourcaty Tarot is very important for studies of the Marseille's. I am doing deep researches (already 12 years of passionnate studies) but still I have only bad scans of the Tourcaty deck, I canno't see some details on the flowded pictures. I wonder if one of you guys can help me with that ? Especially, I'd like the Moon's scan (I canno't see if there are drops on the ground), but I am open for more ;-).

Thank you, have a wonderfull day!

Hello Premas,

Best way is to order a high definition scan of this card to Image bank on BnF website. Bibliothèque Nationale de France.
You pay by credit card and should get this image within one week maximum: about 40 €uros.

Or ask for a direct access on this original card by putting a request to adequate desk in Paris.

Only seekers are finders.

Yves Le Marseillais

 

[Yves Le Marseillais]

No drops anyway

Hello again,

I checked: No drops on the ground on BnF exemplary.

Feel free to check by yourself anyway.

YLM

 

[Premdas]

Hello Yves, thank you, nice to hear from you ;-)

I understand very well that monopole the BNF take on old Tarot decks, even if I don't share that logic. Nobody from the BNF drove the Tourcaty, so can someone tell me why they put copyright on it and other old decks. Would not be like that today every Tarot seeker could see the Tourcaty and others without difficulty, but that situation keep people in obscurantism about the original Tarots. And if I can understand a good photograph could cost some money, but 40€ its really too much, and reveal enough about the greedy spirit of that bisness. So I don't see why I should support such a system, I jsut don't enter inside this.

Thank you YLM for the information about the drops on the XVIII, even if it canno't replace a good scan ;-)

My world is a world of sharing. This is how I conceive Tarot. I am ready to share what I have with good heart, sharers welcome.

 

[Yves Le Marseillais]

Capitalism Win The Battle

Hello Yves, thank you, nice to hear from you ;-)

I understand very well that monopole the BNF take on old Tarot decks, even if I don't share that logic. Nobody from the BNF drove the Tourcaty, so can someone tell me why they put copyright on it and other old decks. Would not be like that today every Tarot seeker could see the Tourcaty and others without difficulty, but that situation keep people in obscurantism about the original Tarots. And if I can understand a good photograph could cost some money, but 40€ its really too much, and reveal enough about the greedy spirit of that bisness. So I don't see why I should support such a system, I jsut don't enter inside this.

Thank you YLM for the information about the drops on the XVIII, even if it canno't replace a good scan ;-)

My world is a world of sharing. This is how I conceive Tarot. I am ready to share what I have with good heart, sharers welcome.

Hello Premdas,

As my headline shows, Kapitalism win the battle since long time ago and so everything has a price in "Modern" World...

Me too I like to share and wish to see ALL Historical Tarot decks in Free access and High Definition.

But I did not found another solution than to "pay for view" for seeing all this nice cards.
Along last 4 years, I spend thousands of €uros for:

Buying original Historical decks on €Bay or directly on Flee Markets or specialised sellers.
Buying High Definition pictures (BnF and other Museums).
Taking free pictures in some foreign Museums and French located. But travel costs were expensive of course.

Fortunatly (if I can use this word in this financial ambiance Lol !) I managed to exchange with some open minded collectioners and succeded to accumulate a very good collection of originals cards, numeric pictures, various objects related to Tarot. About 60 decks and many are unrevealed to Public.

This is my way of acting because I am a passionate, studborn and concentrated man.

The only option I did not choose for getting access to Tarot Historical decks is .... robbery.

I am not rich but I know what I want.

I just wanted to share my view about this sensible item.

Time is on our side if we really want it ...

Salutations from Marseille City, Capital of Tarot

Yves Le Marseillais

 

[Premdas]

Hi Yves, no problem, I understand and respect your approach. I myself am ready to exchange but I think you already got what I got. So for you I dont worth it maybe. Probably what we mean by "exchange" in that world is not really considering simple help between those who share the same passion.

Yves when you say there are more than 60 decks unknown to the public, do you mean Marseille's decks? That would be incredible! Waw. Do you plan to reveal them sometime to the public in some book or other? I don't think this is something to keep secret for oneself, and I am sure you share that point of vue. I feel old Tarot are a world heritage, I don't understand why old decks stays in the hands of collectors who keep them hiden to the public. It is something to possess some old decks, something else not to share them in any way.

 

[Bernice]

Premdas: I feel old Tarot are a world heritage, I don't understand why old decks stays in the hands of collectors who keep them hiden to the public. It is something to possess some old decks, something else not to share them in any way.

I believe copyright issues are the culprit. Capitalism has a lot to answer for

Bee

 

[Premdas]

Completely agree with you Bernice. But finally, if we consider the subject deeply, the real culprit is the greedy spirit when it is followed by human being; so the guilt is shared by Greed (the Bible's snake) and Human (the Bible Adam) who listen and follow him.

Many laws are made by a fallen humanity, following Greed as a "normal" logic. Then people who just want to share a world heritage with a good spirit are pointed out as robbers, and everybody will feel this is normal.

That's not my world! And that is not the real Spirit of Tarot, a spirit of Love and Sharing for the spiritual upliftment of all.

 

[Yves Le Marseillais]

Money and free access to Art

Hi Yves, no problem, I understand and respect your approach. I myself am ready to exchange but I think you already got what I got. So for you I dont worth it maybe. Probably what we mean by "exchange" in that world is not really considering simple help between those who share the same passion.

Yves when you say there are more than 60 decks unknown to the public, do you mean Marseille's decks? That would be incredible! Waw. Do you plan to reveal them sometime to the public in some book or other? I don't think this is something to keep secret for oneself, and I am sure you share that point of vue. I feel old Tarot are a world heritage, I don't understand why old decks stays in the hands of collectors who keep them hiden to the public. It is something to possess some old decks, something else not to share them in any way.

Hello Premdas,

Yes I means Marseille Pattern decks and some Tarot de Besancon Pattern too.
To reveal this decks is of course a problem of copyrights and Kapitalism as I wrote upper.

About originals decks owned by collectors, I do agree with your opinion and sooner or later, I will share my originals decks (they are my property so no copyrights no ?).
But about Museums decks I collected for free, I have to be very carefull as to not betrayed confidence they put in me.

For BnF and other Museums where I paid for getting pictures or scans, copyrights applys as far as I know.

For exemple Jean Claude Flornoy did paid for either British Museum/London and BnF/Paris to get authorisation to use their respectives decks for building up his own "interpretation" of Jean Dodal deck and sell it.

Business is business.

Money is a tool for me, a destination for most of humanity.

Salutations

Yves Le Marseillais

 

[Bertrand]

Hello,

For BnF and other Museums where I paid for getting pictures or scans, copyrights applys as far as I know.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the "images" in themselves, i-e the cards, are not subject to any cpyright. On the other hand pictures taken from the cards (i-e the photographing/scanning work) IS definitely subject to copyright. Taking in account that the libraries and museum have the right to prevent pictures being taken without authorization and are regulating the authorization to take picture on a money basis, the result is the same as if the original pictures were subject to copyright. The mileage may vary following the countries, but anyway all historical decks ARE in the public domain from the artistic copyright point of view, so the only copyright on your pictures for instance Yves - provided you got the authorization to show them if they were taken in a museum, which is probably not the case since it's quite expensive - is your copyright or french droit d'auteur. In most of the cases in France, that means you have the right to create a drawing from any picture of an ancient deck (although some people will try to get money from you under certain circumstances).
Concerning your collection Yves, that may be a way of showing certain cards - although this is an enormous work but you may eventually do it (or have it done) for a specific card if it's got a worthy detail to show.
This is how I understood things but keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer at all so any precisions are welcome !

Bertrand