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Lillie said:I think reversals are hooey.
That's 'cause you're a hardcore Thoth-Lass, Lil
Lillie said:I think reversals are hooey.
cheekyinchworm said:I honestly would never have expected the level of anti-qabalah and anti-astrology sentiment here in the Thoth forum that I have seen over the past couple weeks. I'd expect that in most of the other forums, for sure, but here? I'm shocked, frankly.
cheekyinchworm said:And, I'm positive that Crowley constructed the Thoth Tarot around the Qabalistic Tree of Life and Astrological considerations, and alchemy and many other things. That's how he designed the thing for crying out loud!
cheekyinchworm said:The SYMBOLS THEMSELVES make an appearance on the cards for crying out loud!!! I'm just now studying the 6 of wands and there are two astrological symbols right on the card: one for Jupiter, and one for Leo.
Well done, you did it! That's an answer that actually makes some sense! And a good choice of words. - My issue is that nearly every technical, encyclopedic, referential and common understanding of the term Astrology is at odds with what Astrologers say. Many insist that to utalise the stars and constellations is absolute rubbish,(and that has been stated very clearly on the astrology forum here) your term 'celestial bodies' seem to cover it (although some astrologers purport to not even use this)cheekyinchworm said:I think most if not all professional astrologers would disagree with this statement, and would explain exactly what Astrology measures. Something along the line of "Astrology is the science that explores the action of the celestial bodies upon animate and inanimate objects, and their reactions to such influences."
Has anyone actually reasd this book and got anything out of it? - Try it.cheekyinchworm said:According to what I've read, Crowley actually introduced America to Astrology, ghostwriting for Evangeline Adams.
No. I say Astrology (and I mean the most common form of astrology in our white western culture, ie. western tropical astrology) is Hooey because it has lost the plot on what it originally was! And now its trying to justify itself in ridiculous ways. The original astrology that Thoth was based on (ie. GD astrology was something totally different and magical and saw things like astrological beings that resided in constellations that influenced affairs on earth at specific times due to the relationship in position bewteen them and us) is something very different than that practised today and mostly here on this forum where the above idea of magical astrology was hotly disputed and dissed. I am not saying that it is Hooey that Thoth uses Astrology ... I can see the astro signs on my cards ... they are the large ones ... I've had them 30 years, I am saying astrology has become hooey!cheekyinchworm said:Astrology is hooey. I suppose that this is meant objectively, and is basically saying that the time and place of your birth have no statistical or scientific relation to your personality and inner world.
Actually it is an elightening education and helps one (or some) to break out of their culturally indoctrinated limits. When I studied Comparative Religion at Sydney University it was however, VERY challenging for those who had a rigid mind set and where secure and adament in their religous beliefs.cheekyinchworm said:This is why comparative religion as an academic discipline is such a quagmire, I suspect.
Hmmmmm, you have been a little 'testy' lately? What's going on there?cheekyinchworm said:Anyway, I'm going to cut myself off before I foam at the mouth.
Hopefully now you can understand there was a lot more to the comments than just sheer ignorant denial?cheekyinchworm said:As Kenny has pointed out, becoming a truly proficient astrologer takes A LOT of work and study and thought and meditation. To just dismiss the whole lot of them with a simplistic observation about how no two of them are in complete agreement seems to me to be rather unfair and besides the point.
Well, why does drawing an astrological symbol on anything all of a sudden give it validity. I don't think anyone is saying that it is rubbish to suggest that Thoth uses astrology ... it's peoples understanding of the system used and its application that is in question .... and as these understandings continue to devolve in Tarot AND astrology these magical arts will devolve further down the path of public fortune telling. It wont be long before Hermetic Qabbalah as well will be further dumbed down and turned into some type of dodgey 'spellwork'.
cheekyinchworm said:Moving on, so let me try to understand this, you're saying that everyone here is more or less in agreement that learning about Astrology and Qabalah is a good idea in ones study of the Thoth Tarot,
Lillie said:I just lay down the cards and say what I see.