Thoth vs Toth, whats the deal?

[Fulgour]

By my troth 'tis true

I have called the Thoth the Troth for years.
This is a confession.
I know it's wrong and yet it feels so right...
So easy to say...
Just rolls of the tongue.
So in my sad little brain it will always be the Troth....

"Troth" is the name of this deck for many people,
and advertisements even change their copy on it.

Since "Thoth" isn't a word, and "Troth" is, it makes
a lot of sense. Just check a regular dictionary.

 

[lark]

Thank you Fulgour.
One less thing to worry about.
Troth it is then from now on!

 

[Hermina]

Thoth refers to the ancient Egyptian god of the same name. I was always under the impression that is where Crowley got his info.

Here is a link to how to pronounce the god's name "Thoth" or "Toth." Click on the little megaphone icon to hear it. It is pronounced with a long "O" as in Tote. The "th" sound is actually inbetween "th" and "t," so I guess you could spell it either way, though I think the first way is a more accurate translation. The webpage has a lot of info about the god.

http://www.answers.com/topic/thoth


Be sure to scroll down to see the "Thoth-mobile!"

-Hermina

 

[abella]

Here's my take on it, hope it helps...

So based on the Egyptian consonantal spelling, thence to the
Coptic "Thout", and with the classical authors, I would personally
pronounce it "t'hoot'" or "t'hooti".
Ross

Hi Ross (years later *grin*) et al,

I used to pronounce Thoth with an "awww" for the "o" part of Thoth and with no letter silent, like so: http://www.cooldictionary.com/words/pronounce.mpl?phrase=thoth *eeks*

After doing a ton of research and having contemplated on how to pronounce the Thoth deck, I have settled on t'hout or thout and sometimes plainly just taught or thought - haha! I guess I'm still not settled yet.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but given Thoth is the Egyptian Moon God of Learning & Wisdom -- essentially the Scribe of knowledge / Gods -- and Thoth was also known as Hermes Trismegistus (Hermes Thrice Great = Egyptian Hermes = Thoth), with the Greek Hermes being related to Mercury and knowledge and magic, I see the word Thoth as actually being representative of and associated with the word THOUGHT or TAUGHT. And as mentioned above that's the reason for why I know pronounce the name of the Thoth deck more closely to these common modern English words.

So when I pronounce Thoth it sounds a lot like Thought or Taught albeit more exotic sounding, perhaps even with a slight Brittish accent from my earpoint.

Here are some on-line dictionary pronounciations, these sound closer to rhyming with BOTH (with no silent letters)...

http://www.bartleby.com/61/6/T0180600.html
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861719857
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Thoth
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Thoth

And this is how I say it: http://www.utterz.com/~u-NTA0MDIyMg/utt.php#uttNTA0MDIyMg

 

[Teheuti]

Thoth is the Greek version of Djehuty, Djeuti, Teheuti, etc., although we don't know how the Egyptians actually pronounced their words. The closest we can get is the old Coptic prayers and I don't think Thoth is in them. Variations of Thoth's name are found in the names of various pharaohs, who thus declared their allegiance to him:

Tutmosis, Tutmose
Tutankhamun (Tut - Ankh - Amun)

Thus, toot or tut is the most usual sound in Egypt today.

I find that for most people to understand what I'm saying in English when referring to the deck I need to pronounce the "th" - otherwise, I'm not communicating to them what I mean. However, I then sometimes "correct" it by giving variations.

Mary

 

[Teheuti]

from Wikipedia:
According to Theodor Hopfner[11], Thoth's Egyptian name written as ___ originated from ___ claimed to be the oldest known name for the ibis although normally written as hbj. The addition of -ty denotes that he possessed the attributes of the ibis.[12] Hence his name means "He who is like the ibis".

The Egyptian pronunciation of is not fully known, but may be reconstructed as based on the Ancient Greek borrowing Θωθ Thōth or Theut and the fact that it evolved into Sahidic Coptic variously as Thoout, Thōth, Thoot, Thaut as well as Bohairic Coptic Thōout. The final -y may even have been pronounced as a consonant, not a vowel.[13] However, many write "Djehuty", inserting the letter 'e' automatically between consonants in Egyptian words, and writing 'w' as 'u', as a convention of convenience for English speakers, not the transliteration employed by Egyptologists.[14]

Djehuty is sometimes alternatively rendered as Tahuti, Tehuti, Zehuti, Techu, or Tetu. Thoth (also Thot or Thout) is the Greek version derived from the letters ḏḥwty.