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No. But there was also the post:teheuti said:I didn't know this was an issue. The original reference was to Scion askingGregory said:it isn't OK to say that because he did [tell jokes] that we can assume that he didn't mean any of what he said.
I pointed out that the whole Golden Dawn system was based on deliberate falsehoods and that Crowley also used them. I don't have a problem with my tradition coming out of this. Do you?Scion said:What kind of person teaches people falsehoods willfully? It's pathological.
Which kind of suggested to me the idea that the whole occult tradition Crowley put into the deck was a fake and not worth considering. But it underpins the deck; you need it – whether he joked about it or not.teheuti said:The whole founding of the Golden Dawn was based on a lie. Florence Farr and quit when she found out. I met several people when I lived in London in 1971-72 who had known Crowley. They enjoyed regaling me with stories of how he laughed at gullible people who believed his fakery (turning water into wine at gatherings and tales of certain feats he'd accomplished).
I'll get back to the rest later, but let's face it— the whole occult tarot tradition is built on a mix of outright falsehoods and faulty suppositions.
It came over as being a better way and that the occult study wasn’t at all necessary to appreciate the deck. I cannot agree with that.teheuti said:I agree with this completely. Angie's book and classes were extremely helpful to me in an entirely different way.Gregory said:Whatever, the Book of Thoth is a LOT more interesting and meaty than Arrien's book. . . . I came to it from looking at it and realising that there was a hell of a lot to it which merited study.
As do we all. But you still need the study of Crowley’s own writings to understand the deck, and the idea of “dumbing it all down” to make it acceptable and “easy” is one that is anathema to me. It is something that happens far too often these days and with too many things. Taking the easy way to avoid working at anything. It devalues everything it touches, that approach.Teheuti said:Not specifically, although I'm sure I could find something questionable if I looked hard enough. I was referring to Arrien - she saw things in the deck that were not specifically intended when it was created.Gregory said:Are you saying that what is now seen in the deck by people like Duquette is not what was intended when it was created ?
How do you know ? Seriously ?Lillie said:I read a book once, it said the world was hollow and we were living inside it.
Now that really is crap.