The 5 reversed! (especially 5 of pent Rx)

Nemia

I meant the same with the "inverse" meaning. The flow of energy turns around...

I read this in your posts on the boards before I read it in Wen's books. It's one of the things to pick up from Nisaba (the timing method is another thing....).

Teheuti

The 5 of Pentacles in the RWS deck has a visual clue that not all of the fives have: in the reversal the window becomes a doorway suggesting an opportunity or point of entry (to the internal), moving out of poverty.

In the 5 of Wands R it becomes more apparent that they are trying to form a pentacle and therefore their efforts could be coming together. Or it could be that the conflict is internal rather than external: five aspects of self that want different things.

5 of Cups R can be moving past grief or an internal denial of grief.

For me, the 5 of Swords R asks what needs to be buried or salvaged from the battlefield.

nisaba

Nemia said:
It's one of the things to pick up from Nisaba (the timing method is another thing....).

Gosh, I've become a source. :bugeyed:

tarot_quest

confusion

Now I have the impression that I don't know how to read 5 anymore..........!

Let's take an easy example: 5 of cups

upright: as a general rule = emotional conflict

Rx: Please read the rest of my reply before assuming anything on my tarot skills*

On Biddy tarot website, the reversal says that the emotional conflict got resolved, that the person is ready to forgive, etc.

Now, I know that some people say that reversal of the 5 mean an energy block (like if the problem is even worst)

* I think that as an online reference, Biddy tarot is often consulted (even if it is not THE reference). Moreover, I read several tarot books during the last year, so I saw different interpretations

What should I do now? Just sticking to what make sens to me??

Thirteen

What do the meanings have in common?

tarot_quest said:
Moreover, I read several tarot books during the last year, so I saw different interpretations. What should I do now? Just sticking to what make sens to me??

What you should do is remember that you're not going to be reading this card alone, by itself, with no idea of what it might be referring to. When you lay down that card, it will be in answer to a question, asked by someone and in a position in your spread. It's rather like seeing a word in a sentence. See that word by itself in the dictionary, and you may say "It's got so many meanings! And it could be a noun or a verb? How will I know which is right?" Um...see it in a sentence?

That's what a spread is. A sentence. Your 5/Cups (upright or not) might be crystal clear in its meaning if you see it in a spread in answer to a question.

Also, instead of letting yourself get dizzy with all these meanings—seeing them as so different—try to find what they have in common. After all, no one, not even Biddy, says that 5/Cups means "happiness forever" right? All these meanings for the 5/Cups share common ground, even if it's a wide area. Instead of peering at each inch with a microscope, go up in a balloon and try to see what the area, in general, looks like. That will help, too.

It will also help if you read less meanings for the card and start doing small spreads. Can you remember one simple meaning (like "emotional conflict") for each and every card in the deck without using any reference material? If not, then you don't need more meanings—they're only going got do what they're doing to you—confuse and overwhelm you. Which, in the end, is all reversals are. More probable meanings for the card (additional definitions for the word). Which is why many professional readers don't bother with reversals, by the way. The 5/Cups will have that reversed meaning whether or not you turn your cards upside down. Turning card upside down just helps the reader (like spread position) to narrow the meaning down and see it more clearly.

nisaba

tarot_quest said:
What should I do now? Just sticking to what make sens to me??

It's worth remembering that the words in books are only someone's opinion, and they can be "wrong", insofar as there even is a "right" and "wrong". The only difference between them and you is that they published before you, and they probably have more experience than you.

Read everything you can, but don't swallow it whole, chew over it carefully (as Roger Bacon might have said). Take what makes sense to you, discard what doesn't. Absorb as much background knowledge as possible - the more you have read, the better-equipped you are to be able to distinguish between what is useful information and what is time-wasting.

And never forget that any suggestions on how to read a card simply won't work if it doesn't gel with the images on the cards in front of you! It's all about understanding the IMAGES. So look, really LOOK at them. At their colours, details, backgrounds. What is happening in the card? What has just happened before this scene or might happen once it's over" What would be just beyond the borders of the card, out of sight?

Think about these things. They will really help.

tarot_quest

Thirteen said:
Also, instead of letting yourself get dizzy with all these meanings—seeing them as so different—try to find what they have in common.

Thanks Thirteen, it makes sens

Well, I see you as a pretty good reference

and I read several of your posts, so I was confused about your interpretation of the 5 rx compared to other sources. But yes, I will continue to focus on common definition for a given card

Thirteen said:
Can you remember one simple meaning (like "emotional conflict") for each and every card in the deck without using any reference material?

Yes, for every card, I have some key words (I don't need to look up for meanings except for 1 or 2 cards that I keep forgetting).

Thanks again, I am considering to buy a good tarot book, like a bible of tarot

instead of borrowing old tarot books at the library!

tarot_quest

nisaba said:
It's worth remembering that the words in books are only someone's opinion, and they can be "wrong", insofar as there even is a "right" and "wrong". The only difference between them and you is that they published before you, and they probably have more experience than you.

That is a good advice! What is true for me might be false for you, indeed

And books are not absolute truth. We have to decide what is working for us.

nisaba said:
Read everything you can, but don't swallow it whole, chew over it carefully (as Roger Bacon might have said). Take what makes sense to you, discard what doesn't. Absorb as much background knowledge as possible - the more you have read, the better-equipped you are to be able to distinguish between what is useful information and what is time-wasting.

Thanks again! I feel reassured now

nisaba said:
And never forget that any suggestions on how to read a card simply won't work if it doesn't gel with the images on the cards in front of you! It's all about understanding the IMAGES. So look, really LOOK at them. At their colours, details, backgrounds. What is happening in the card? What has just happened before this scene or might happen once it's over" What would be just beyond the borders of the card, out of sight?

Yes! I am using Marseilles cards but I looked up for the meanings of RW deck in general. So the minors don't contain images or scenes. I like it because I feel less influenced in my interpretation. (I know that there is a forum about Marseilles cards, but I like this one

)

Teheuti

tarot_quest said:
I am using Marseilles cards but I looked up for the meanings of RW deck in general. So the minors don't contain images or scenes. I like it because I feel less influenced in my interpretation. (I know that there is a forum about Marseilles cards, but I like this one )

If I had know you were using the Marseille deck I would have answered quite differently than I did.

tarot_quest

Teheuti said:
If I had know you were using the Marseille deck I would have answered quite differently than I did.

Please, let me know what you think, I am interested!