chiron

[214red]

has anyone linked Chiron to physical wounds not just emotional ones? or would it perhaps be in an aspect that creates the physical wound? I have a chart that has chiron in 12th house, opposite uranus in 6th house scorpio? I am wondering if i could link this to a surgery i had a few years ago?

 

[MareSaturni]

I don't know anything about Chiron, but I remember reading somewhere it relates to your ability to heal yourself. I suppose it can be both emotionally and physically. So perhaps Chiron is not just ruling the surgery, but how you actually recovered from it...

In the 12th House perhaps your recovery power comes from deep resources, and also you need to rest a lot in order to get better when healing from wounds and illness.

Chrion opposes most of my planets (because almost all of them are concentrated in one portion of the chart), so I suppose that it could make Chiron relevant to me. My chart does not have any oppositions aside from the ones made by Chiron, so if anyone can give an extra insight about it (and also answer 214red's question), that would be great!

Edited to add: There's a book by Melanie Reinhart called Chiron and the Healing Journey. I saw it for sale during our local yearly book fair and almost brought it home out of curiosity. It seemed to be rather complete, but I didn't read all of it so I can't tell for sure. Maybe it could be helpful to you, 214red?

 

[214red]

yes i have read lots about healing yourself with chiron, i also read that 6th links to intestines and and uranus to breaks and sharp implements.The physical wound was caused by family members because of suppressed emotions (pisces rules my 12th)

I have decided not to buy anymore books as i have tons, but the book sounds interesting, but am sticking with aspects at the moment.

 

[Barleywine]

has anyone linked Chiron to physical wounds not just emotional ones? or would it perhaps be in an aspect that creates the physical wound? I have a chart that has chiron in 12th house, opposite uranus in 6th house scorpio? I am wondering if i could link this to a surgery i had a few years ago?

I didn't have much interest in Chiron until I recently read Kevin Burk's excellent "Astrology: Understanding the Birth Chart." I've had Barbara Hand Clow's 1987 book "Chiron: Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets" (unread) for a long time, so I browsed through it and Burk to see if anything on physical wounding jumped out at me.

Most of it has a highly spiritual slant. All I could find on physical wounding in this cursory way was that Chiron dropped a poisoned arrow on his own foot, poisoning himself. To explore the physical-injury angle, I would probably look for stressful contacts between Chiron and Mars/Uranus for unexpected physical wounding (especially by way of being cut), or between Chiron and Mars/Mercury/Saturn for pre-planned "wounding" like surgery. If any infection resulted or is likely to result, I would look to the condition of Moon/Venus/Neptune in relation to Chiron, and if any mortification of flesh or organ damage/removal is an issue, I might similarly look to difficult Chiron/Mars/Pluto contacts. And Jupiter would most likely be involved if there were any excessive bleeding.

Since Chiron apparently has a 6th House/12 House connotation, it would probably be useful to look at any planets in those houses and their interaction with Chiron. The condition of the rulers of those houses in connection with Chiron and the various Mars complexes I mentioned might also be examined, assuming you don't buy Clow's attribution of Chiron as 6th House ruler. As a precaution, I might avoid handling cutting tools or scheduling surgery if I thought a stressful transit by or to Chiron might create risk of injury. In the case of your Chiron-Uranus 6th/12th opposition, that might have predisposed you to surgery, but I would look to see if Mars did anything to trigger it, especially if it was emergency surgery.

However, since all I can find preliminarily on the effects of Chiron in a chart has a decidedly "New Age-y" spiritual/psychological, inner-healing vibration to it, all of this is purely conjecture (translation: don't quote me! ) You need a Chiron specialist here, not a GP!!!

ETA: Wow, talk about coincidence! We're discussing Chiron, and I just went to look at Dave Roell's latest Astrology Weekly newsletter. Right at the top was an article about Zane Stein's book "A View from Chiron" being republished by Astrology Classics (Dave's publishing house). It will be on Amazon soon and I will probably look it up. Maybe he covers physical wounding, but I'm not holding my breath. BTW, I recommend Dave's website, www.astroamerica.com, for his thoughtful and useful reviews about a wide range of astrology books sold through his business, Astrology Center of America. You can buy the books cheaper through Amazon and other discounters, but it's nice to read reviews by a practicing astrologer first.

 

[214red]

i do think its a manifestation of a spiritual/emotional issue in my family lineage, and it links to uranus and my north node as an opposition.

i am very must into the spiritual side of astrology, less so much the psychology side of astrology, my life is that way so my view of most things is lead that way. thats why i am loving Arroyo and such like. pluto is also in my 6th house

 

[Barleywine]

i do think its a manifestation of a spiritual/emotional issue in my family lineage, and it links to uranus and my north node as an opposition.

i am very must into the spiritual side of astrology, less so much the psychology side of astrology, my life is that way so my view of most things is lead that way. thats why i am loving Arroyo and such like. pluto is also in my 6th house

The key, then, would be to try to locate what astrological factors gave it the impetus to cross over from spiritual/emotional distress into physical manifestation resulting in "wounding," and the timing of their emergence. Emotional stress can cause a lot of medical conditions like stomach ulcers, and they all have their astrological "signatures." I use Cornell's "Encyclopaedia of Medical Astrology" quite extensively for physical health questions. No Chiron in it, though.

 

[dadsnook2000]

How to find linkages and meanings for Chiron

Someone should research charts to determine who had Chiron conjoining their Sun or the chart's Ascendant. In this way, the effects of Chiron take on a sort of magnification which can then be studied. Dave

 

[Barleywine]

Someone should research charts to determine who had Chiron conjoining their Sun or the chart's Ascendant. In this way, the effects of Chiron take on a sort of magnification which can then be studied. Dave

That's sound, fundamental astrological advice. It seems that most, if not all, of the writers on Chiron were dazzled by the mythological correspondences and their spiritual import. I will be interested in seeing whether Zane Stein's work (which was updated as recently as the 1990's) has anything more practical from an "outward manifestation" perspective in it. And where is Michel Gauquelin when we need him?

 

[214red]

Someone should research charts to determine who had Chiron conjoining their Sun or the chart's Ascendant. In this way, the effects of Chiron take on a sort of magnification which can then be studied. Dave

i wonder if i asked the wrong question, perhaps the uranus in 6th which is ruled by virgo (the house) was the operation, so chiron and the moon started it, and it was manifested into physical being by uranus in the 6th. 6th house rules intestines too, and scorpio would be hidden/supressed issues.

am just trying to piece things together and see if i can fit this in, it has to be there as it was major surgery, just where is an issue. i had another shock accident when i was young, but i see that more as the 4th house linking as it was at home, caused by a family member and on the arm (3/4th cancer which rules arms and home, also siblings), is square uranus (something sudden)

 

[Barleywine]

i wonder if i asked the wrong question, perhaps the uranus in 6th which is ruled by virgo (the house) was the operation, so chiron and the moon started it, and it was manifested into physical being by uranus in the 6th. 6th house rules intestines too, and scorpio would be hidden/supressed issues.

am just trying to piece things together and see if i can fit this in, it has to be there as it was major surgery, just where is an issue. i had another shock accident when i was young, but i see that more as the 4th house linking as it was at home, caused by a family member and on the arm (3/4th cancer which rules arms and home, also siblings), is square uranus (something sudden)

I think that Dave is just trying to recalibrate us a bit, so we get a feel for what, if any, event-oriented potentials we can expect out of Chiron before we try to get down to the details. What he proposes is a kind of "proof test" using highly visible solar and angular placements to see what sort of fundamental manifestations arise from them. After that we can start blending other planetary contacts into the primary "vibration." Kind of like the Gauquelins did with the angular placement of Mars in the charts of successful athletes. It's also entirely likely that there is enough in your chart to indicate abdominal surgery (as I assume you mean from the "intestine" reference) even without considering Chiron (although it would be interesting to see if it ties in with the other indicators, as I was suggesting earlier).

Come to think of it, I had very invasive abdominal surgery back in 2006, so I should look at my chart in that light as well.