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HEAT deck - inception
Rhapsodin
I don't know if you've started taking "bookings" yet so....when you do
....could I please be given first refusal on one of the following: The Sun, Priestess, Empress or Justice? If you intended doing minors, I could probably do the 1 or Queen of Cups.
It sounds like a very nice project as long as likely participants keep calm. I've kept clear of the AT deck as it won't be printed (and the threads are longer to read than Tolstoy's War and Peace). I can scale and adjust any image I do to suit what's going.
Rhapsodin
That was me.
I have the same problem - forgetting while I'm cooking as I need such intense concentration.... I really can't shuffle the cards with one hand. Though sad to say people are probably happier to forget my cooking and do anything else in preference to suffering it! I never get the oven temperature right even to boil an egg.
daphne
I don't know if you've started taking "bookings" yet so....when you do
....could I please be given first refusal on one of the following: The Sun, Priestess, Empress or Justice? If you intended doing minors, I could probably do the 1 or Queen of Cups.
It sounds like a very nice project as long as likely participants keep calm. I've kept clear of the AT deck as it won't be printed (and the threads are longer to read than Tolstoy's War and Peace). I can scale and adjust any image I do to suit what's going.
Rhapsodin you are very sweet with your candid presence.
No, there is no bookings for HEAT. It will start after the 5thAT is done. Spring 2015.
Until then, we discuss ideas here and write a new Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. We are into classics.
But if the right times come, I will make sure to have a summary.
Cenozoic
The main thing is, every card creator has an automatic copyright over their work. I'm not trying to ask you to add copyrights onto this project. I'm trying to tell you that it's already there. To make this project have "no copyright", you'd have to get the card creators to waive (take away) their own copyright ownership themselves. That means they have chosen to give it up. I've never heard of a voluntary project that forces people to lose their copyrights to participate, since I find that insane. And since this deck will be printed, I suggest that they keep copyrights over their own work.
It's not just one or two cards that are made for this project, it's 78 individual artworks (no matter how "amaturish" they are considered for this project).
If card creators consider it foolish not to have copyrights, then they must offer a solution against pirating? Yet your only solution is not to have copyrights at all? I don't understand.
But to be fair, may I offer you some solutions for this project. A slightly better alternative than having no copyrights, is to ask that the card creators publish their artworks with the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) symbol, which they can retain copyrights, but people are free to share, make copies, and make derivative works, even commercially, yet the only thing they must do is credit the artist, and link to the artwork where the license is, and state where they made changes.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
But if you still do not want copyrights on this project, may I suggest that you politely ask that all card creators publish their artwork with the Creative Commons Public Domain (CC0) symbol, so they are in charge of waiving (giving up) their own copyright ownership over their artwork. These artworks will be free for all. People can make derivative works and use it commercially without ever crediting the artist. Yet once the artwork is in the public domain, the card creator can never take back copyright ownership over their own work. The only rights that remain, are privacy rights to protect the owner.
https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0
And adding to that:
The only thing the card creator has to do, is to publish (basically by uploading), their artwork with the appropriate CC license in the description. They don't need to register for anything. They just have to attach the CC license to their artwork. It's as easy as attaching a stamp to an envelope. And that's that.
reall
I agree with above!^^ different countries have different names/regulation for this topic,
but imo CC BY 4.0 is what wee need?^^
and note that organizer wont be responsible for possible copyright break?^^)) lolz
but imo CC BY 4.0 is what wee need?^^
and note that organizer wont be responsible for possible copyright break?^^
)) lolzdaphne
Ok, I have no experience here with copyright, I proposed something that I thought would exclude most of problems later about complains of possible "stolen cards". Of course let's not do something insane, but something ok for most of all.
Yes, indeed, my first idea was to get rid of all that seemed to biggest barrier against printing. If I am wrong, of course I said let's see how else it can be done with copyrights + deck being generally available, without anybody involved in the project being held responsible for the always unpredictable future of the cards.
In the end, it should be something we all agree about, in terms of copyright and not only. If what I propose is stupid, it will not be done, and I expressed this in the line you said you dont understand. The only thing certain is that this deck is to be made generally available in print, the rest is a process to find a optimal way to do it, if we can do it. That is why we are here, to discuss and come up with something less stupid.
And you offered advise and help, suggesting the CC BY 4.0. Sure, anything better than my idea, is to be adopted. It looks exactly to be what we need for this kind of project.
Obviously you know more about copyrights then I. I feel now ashamed of the idea of "no copyright", when there is the other solution you indicate. Let's go with what's best suitable.
Rhapsodin
Am I mistaken or has a post disappeared from this page?
Cenozoic
reall said:and note that organizer wont be responsible for possible copyright break?^^
Copyrights look like it's the biggest barrier against printing, and it should look like that for anyone trying to use your artwork without your permission. Basically what the CC licenses are for, is to give people permission to use your artwork under a few conditions. If they just used your artwork without following your conditions, or without your permission, then that could be considered copyright infringement.
You could always make a liability waiver... something that sounds like this:
The organizers of the HEAT project will exercise reasonable care and caution when handling the artworks of this project; however the organizers will assume no legal or financial liability for any damages or theft of artworks whether they are digital or printed or otherwise.
In participating in the HEAT project, you hereby release, waive, discharge, and covenant not to sue, the organizers of the HEAT project, and the participants, for any and all liability/damage to your artwork(s).
And then maybe something that says the participant grants permission for organizers to change/manipulate the artwork, for purposes of adding boarders, numbers and/or text, enlarging or shrinking the image, and so forth.
And the participants should license their artwork with CC BY 4.0 for this project, to grant others permission to use their artwork as freely as possible, as long as they give proper credit to the artist/project in return.
I'm sorry for overwhelming you with this kind of stuff. But now people can keep their personal copyrights, and grant others permission to use their artwork, and maybe it'll be better for everyone this way.
Zephyros
Copyrights are important only if someone intends on defending them. I don't see anyone here suing anyone even if the deck is ripped off. Why would anyone need to give the organisers permission to manipulate the image, anyway? Is that really necessary? Isn't it implied? If the printers print the deck, yes, that could be considered a problem in certain cases. But copyright is civil law, meaning you go after it yourself. Will anyone sue the printers for doing exactly what they want them to do? It is a breach of copyright only if someone decides to defend their intellectual rights. But here there are no rights and if there are, they don't matter. Plus, I think it is an overly ambitious proposition, the idea of allowing others to use the work from the deck. That would be important if the deck were high profile and made for publicity. It isn't either of those things.
