gregory
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I agree with this point of view. In an ideal world maybe we could have this kind of project going smooth with no 10000 posts. But we are in this other world now.
I was responding to someone (I forget who; I was cooking with my other hand, like !) who was referencing the TCF decks. That is how they work, and that is why they work SO WELL. It's not a bad model for ours, actually.
I don't know if you've started taking "bookings" yet so....when you do
....could I please be given first refusal on one of the following: The Sun, Priestess, Empress or Justice? If you intended doing minors, I could probably do the 1 or Queen of Cups.
It sounds like a very nice project as long as likely participants keep calm. I've kept clear of the AT deck as it won't be printed (and the threads are longer to read than Tolstoy's War and Peace). I can scale and adjust any image I do to suit what's going.
I hope my brain is ok. I think I sounded retarded. I said no copyrights and then talked about the Creative Commons Licence (CCL). Probably I failed to express myself, I apologize.
I try again:
I consider the copyright thing for this kind of patch project a sort of irony. Cards will be out there, people can always take and modify them, regardless the © specifications. What then? Drama? But of course we should discuss options (like CCL or other) and if most of the creators consider that it is foolish not to have a copyright, I think they have to offer o solution. I dont have one in this regard. Just to be a solution that does not contradict the basic idea of such project, to be free to be printed. In any place, online, at house, whatever the preference will be.
Regarding the photos and paintings, I was not talking about all together. No, no. I never said I have the idea what is online is free to use or abuse. Actually, is the other way around. Most of the art, photos etc online is copyrighted and absolutely should not be consider common goods. I said that some photos and old paintings are free to use. I must have been used "some", I know exactly what I wanted to say. S-o-m-e photos posted on specific sites are allowed for free to use and I wondered what are the dangers if we do the same with the cards of such a deck.
Thank you for trying to help, I appreciate. For such a deck I think we need to find a balance between all the cautions necessary to be taken and the desire to make it available.
The main thing is, every card creator has an automatic copyright over their work. I'm not trying to ask you to add copyrights onto this project. I'm trying to tell you that it's already there. To make this project have "no copyright", you'd have to get the card creators to waive (take away) their own copyright ownership themselves. That means they have chosen to give it up. I've never heard of a voluntary project that forces people to lose their copyrights to participate, since I find that insane. And since this deck will be printed, I suggest that they keep copyrights over their own work.
It's not just one or two cards that are made for this project, it's 78 individual artworks (no matter how "amaturish" they are considered for this project).
If card creators consider it foolish not to have copyrights, then they must offer a solution against pirating? Yet your only solution is not to have copyrights at all? I don't understand.
But to be fair, may I offer you some solutions for this project. A slightly better alternative than having no copyrights, is to ask that the card creators publish their artworks with the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) symbol, which they can retain copyrights, but people are free to share, make copies, and make derivative works, even commercially, yet the only thing they must do is credit the artist, and link to the artwork where the license is, and state where they made changes.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
But if you still do not want copyrights on this project, may I suggest that you politely ask that all card creators publish their artwork with the Creative Commons Public Domain (CC0) symbol, so they are in charge of waiving (giving up) their own copyright ownership over their artwork. These artworks will be free for all. People can make derivative works and use it commercially without ever crediting the artist. Yet once the artwork is in the public domain, the card creator can never take back copyright ownership over their own work. The only rights that remain, are privacy rights to protect the owner.
https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0
And adding to that:
The only thing the card creator has to do, is to publish (basically by uploading), their artwork with the appropriate CC license in the description. They don't need to register for anything. They just have to attach the CC license to their artwork. It's as easy as attaching a stamp to an envelope. And that's that.
reall said:and note that organizer wont be responsible for possible copyright break?^^)) lolz
Yes, indeed, my first idea was to get rid of all that seemed to biggest barrier against printing. If I am wrong, of course I said let's see how else it can be done with copyrights + deck being generally available, without anybody involved in the project being held responsible for the always unpredictable future of the cards.