mac22 said:
Ok I finally did it. I got serious about the Marseille decks. I was lucky enough to get in JMDs 30 week course [woohoo]. We're using the full Noblet deck.
That's a pity (I mean the choice of deck).
First, What was the Church's view on this new thing playing cards with trumps that had depictions of the Le Papesse , Le Pape, Le Diable, Ll batelevr with a penis in his hand? Is a human or [sacred] bull penis?
If you were using the standard TdM, instead of Noblet's (IMO) somewhat bitter satirical version, you would note that what LeBateleur holds is a rod or tube and that there is a quite striking but carefully obscured (to evade the authorities, no doubt)
circumcised penis extending from the left curtain to the right curtain in LaPapesse in the form of the clasp holding together her cloak. The reason for its presence here is that II LaPapesse represents the repose of the cloister, and it is the sounds and stresses of lovemaking that the woman seeking the cloister is largely seeking shelter
from . . . not to mention the fact that it ultimately represents (by bardic numbering) the letter heh (bardic E-eadhe-aspen), and heh was the letter added to Abram to make Abraham in honor of his circumcision. This is the trump of the heh that in Hebrew was numbered 5 and signified the hand given in agreement (i.e. a covenant).
There is a definite intentional color scheme to the RWS what is the meaning of the Noblet color scheme or the entire Marseille for that matter?
In the Marseilles proper (by which
I mean the Grimaud), there is a definite meaning to the dichotomy between large figures dressed in red and blue and smaller figures in flesh . . . but that's another story.
The RWS minors retell the Grail tale....Is there theme yo the Noblet minors?
The court cards convey the idea, methinks,
especially in the suit cups, where we have the Grail Knight, Grail King, Grail Maid (in the form of the Queen?), and the thief (Knave) who finds that it only nourishes the worthy (hence the look of disgust when he lifts the lid of the stolen chalice and finds it empty).
Okay, I'll crawl back under my rock now.
