Hi! kalliope
Re: your post 7 hrs ago to me:
You have just said exactly what I feel. Every word does agree with what I tried to say or express.
Thank you for that!
I am having an *ah ha* moment right now because of something someone just mentioned to me.
Re: traditional v/s intuitives
Maybe *part of* the problem is actually due to the 'emblems' (images) on each card *changing*
because of the many new Lenormand deck creators! They are *adding* *other* things to
the cards that are *not* traditional. Maybe that is the real problem! Maybe the problem is
NOT just with the intuitives!
For instance, you said: "...the Coffin meaning "going to an Egyptian museum exhibit"
because one has the Mystical Lenormand and the card depicts a sarcophagus
(or Ship-Coffin meaning "a trip to Egypt" for the same reason)"
Most intuitives read by *looking* at an emblem (image) on the card. So if something has
been changed or added to the traditional emblem (image) that is not traditional, that could
also be the problem, since intuitives use the card images.
And yes, regarding that an intuitive may look at the ring card and deem it to mean "a snob"
is way out there, and something that, I don't believe, will ever be controlled. You just cannot
control an intuitive's mind! LOL There are just going to be those way out there readers and
there is not much that can be done, except in your own immediate sphere, if you choose to do so.
I really believe that all the traditional schools WILL REMAIN in tact. Why? Because of the
museums we have. They are preserving and have preserved the oldest decks, and meanings,
such as Mary has recently found for us.
Maybe part of the solution is in helping (gently advising) new deck creators. For instance
here on AT, in the creation thread, when they come there for guidance with their decks,
traditionalists could offer their insight in that area.
So traditionalists could "Bloom where they are planted."
Other than that, what else can be done? Rather than just discussing, why not find a solution?
Or even a partial solution? Start a new thread: "Why the traditional meanings work"
or "Why Lenormand newbies would benefit from traditional meanings" - LOL just a thought.
I do agree with most everything said in this thread.
Because of falling in love with the Lenormand, it's simplicity, and it's accuracy, I have found
a certain 'respect' for it and it's history. Yes, I know, I do add a cat, money, work, and a
sex card to my decks, but I still keep the traditional meanings for those subjects.
I added those, the same as the person that had added 4 more cards were to the original 32 card deck
that Mary found. Those 4 cards were added to give further clarity to the deck. That is
what I have tried to do.
Surely in the 1700's and 1800's there were cats in people's households? LOL
Surely they worked?
And surely they owned money and assets?
And surely they had sex, besides the type represented on the whip card (which is mostly a
punishment, argumentative, or abuse card). What about the gentle love-making?
Where was the card for that...no not the Lilies...I just don't see that.
Well, now there is a card for CAT, MONEY, WORK, AND INTIMATE SEX...
These work well in the deck, as long as we keep the traditional 'meanings' for them.
My purpose was to keep the different schools from disagreeing over which card represents
these 4 subjects. Now, when an intuitive sees a cat...they see a cat not a dog. When they
see a money card, they see real money, not a fox or bear. Same with work, they now see
a person at work, not a fox or an anchor. Same with the sex card...they don't see birchrods or whips now.
So I am guilty of adding to the traditional emblem cards... 4 more cards. For me, I found it
necessary to stop all the confusion between the schools. (At least within my own readings).
However, I also make the 36 traditional cards available for hard core traditionalists -guess it
should be 32 traditional cards, since Mary discovery.
No one has to buy a certain deck if they don't want to.
Sorry... back to the intuitives... yes, I agree, we should *KEEP* leading them along the
traditional meanings path, regardless of the challenges.
Actually, this thread is helping- IF intuitives happen to read it...
How about a new thread that says: "Why intuitives use traditional meanings FIRST"
...don't tell them that they *should* use traditional meanings...
...they will go the opposite direction for sure then!
Just let them know the *benefits* of doing so. Let them know that their readings will be
more accurate by using the traditional meanings.
And for heaven's sake, please *DO* come *together* and decide upon ONE school of
traditional meanings, or at least tell the intuitives it is okay to glean meanings from each of
the country's traditional schools as workable. Quit confusing them and everyone else.
*find that common ground*
Make a treaty, make a union... come together... blend *all* the different schools together.
Stop confusing the intuitive with disagreements among the different schools. Stop saying
"My way is the only way." or "My school is the only school."
I think the preserving *begins* with the traditionalists *agreeing* and coming *together*
into ONE MAIN TRADITIONAL SCHOOL of meanings. That would stop all the confusion.
Then maybe an intuitive and/or newbie would be able to better use the 'traditional' meanings and methods.
Maybe it shouldn't always be: "the intuitives are doing it wrong" and "the traditionalists are doing it right"
Exactly *which* traditionalists are doing it right anyway?
don't tell me you are right... or you over there are right... we don't know for sure...
It is even possible that people escaped from one country and took their country's tradition
over to another country - only to have their own country's meanings *adopted* by the new country!
Just saying. What you think is one country's school could very well be from another country's school.
... maybe it should be: *the traditionalists should all get along* ...
*the traditionalist should all come together with one song.*
...then intuitives and newbies will be more willing to get on the bandwagon...
Hugs, Lyn
also: Love and *Light*