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Hi Phoenix Rising (and whoever else that may think I was criticizing Sylvie's system),
Thank you for your insights, but I think you have misunderstood the meaning of my posts, as well as its purpose. You certainly do not need to defend Sylvie's system, expertise, or character to me. I didn't say anything at all about her character in my posts, because in all honesty, I don't know her nor have I interacted with her to any extent. Besides, for the purpose of my post, her character was irrelevant.
My reasons in doing a comparison was to give as much of an objective point of view as possible in regards to my experience with studying and learning the Lenormand through both systems simultaneously in hopes that it may benefit others who are deciding between systems. I'll tell you now that when I was searching for information on this board regarding how best to start out using the Lenormand, it was HARD to find an unbiased constructive review or comparison when it comes to Sylvie's vs whatever other system. It's either harsh bashing or defensive praises championing systems and characters.
I think LisaW said it best:
That is precisely my feeling. If you go back and read my review/comparison post again, you will see that I thought both systems complemented each other well for me. And I wanted to share that sentiment with others who may be having trouble seeking a more detailed comparison between the two rather than the usual "I dislike her, she's horrible" vs "she has decades of experience and is so kind to share it with us" sort of deal... which in all honesty, has nothing to do with how useful or good the Treppner course and Sylvie's book was. I wanted to talk about the material itself, and like most reviews, there would be pros and cons. Those were simply my experiences.
There is certainly no need to validate Sylvie's expertise or system to me by listing out her extensive experience or accomplishments. I'm not doubting her system; in fact, I use it and enjoy it all the time as mentioned in my comparison. I like her system because a lot of it made sense to me, and it worked. It isn't (and won't ever be) because she has tons of thousands of experience with clients or comes from generations of Lenormand readers. Her system has proven to work for me, and that's enough in my opinion.
I was in no way inferring that Sylvie's system is inferior because I didn't see the Fox as a work/career card. Should I have gone on to point out that I agreed with Sylvie and saw Whips as a sexuality card more than the traditional Lily? Would that appease Sylvie fans? But you see, superiority in card meanings wasn't my point. In fact, I even added that I understood Sylvie's reasoning behind the Fox being a work/career card... just that it wasn't for me personally.
For all my intents and purposes, what each card actually means aren't even relevant... but to address your question about why I see Anchor as the work card- it is mostly because I see a career as the thing that gives stability to ones life. As I mentioned in my initial post, I can see Fox to represent work sometimes... but maybe only as an odd job here or there. But when it comes to a career or a stable job, Anchor is it for me. Another large reason I didn't want to assign the Fox to work is because I see it mainly as a deception, lies, or cunning creativity. I'd like to reserve that card for that and save myself the confusion of wondering if Fox was talking about my job or someone deceiving me. There are more reasons... but again, that is all personal and it's something I've come to decide for myself after studying the differences in systems (and I'm glad for that).
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In all honesty, I had wondered to myself if I was making a mistake by talking about my experience with Sylvie's method and Treppner's course... and yea, I really should've kept my mouth shut because I'm beginning to think that anything said about the Lenormand teachings (especially those pertaining to Sylvie's method) is just going to end up being misconstrued. There's a wide chasm between her dedicated fans and those who dislike her for whatever reason. Those who like her are only going to think that any little "unfavorable" thing said about her book is an attack on Sylvie's character and expertise, while those who dislike her are only going to jump on those aspects and say "Yea her book sucks!"
I had never made a comment anywhere on this site pertaining to either and have tried not to let either side influence me while searching for information to learn on. I initially thought that maybe my post could shed some light for those who might want to know what it was about each system (and teaching material) that worked for someone else, hopefully backed up with specific reasons, which was what I tried to do.
I largely ignored the mention of the study group, because as I have also said, I wasn't a part of it. So it was a pure comparison between her book and the Treppner course... which now that I think about it, is probably an accurate way of comparing, seeing as how the Treppners are not here leading a study group. In that way, it's solely seeing how each body of written work stands as itself.
That said, I have said this before to Sylvie on another thread and I'll say it again now. I think it's wonderful that she had taken the time to lead the study group here, and obviously those who attended have benefited from it greatly. I've also mentioned that I understand her reasons for stopping. In fact, I said I would chalk the whole "study group no longer active" thing as it being unfortunate for ME that I missed it. I'm not blaming her for it.
In short, I was merely sharing my own learning experience for her book and for Treppner's course, as well as my experience with not being able to participate in the study group. I LIKE Sylvie's system. I LIKE the Treppner Course. BOTH had their own merits, differences, and shortcomings in the delivery, which is normal. I took whatever works for me from BOTH. That is all.
Disclaimer: There were no hidden agendas, backstabbing motives, or mysterious criticisms/praises involved in my comparison review and subsequent posts.
Thank you for your insights, but I think you have misunderstood the meaning of my posts, as well as its purpose. You certainly do not need to defend Sylvie's system, expertise, or character to me. I didn't say anything at all about her character in my posts, because in all honesty, I don't know her nor have I interacted with her to any extent. Besides, for the purpose of my post, her character was irrelevant.
My reasons in doing a comparison was to give as much of an objective point of view as possible in regards to my experience with studying and learning the Lenormand through both systems simultaneously in hopes that it may benefit others who are deciding between systems. I'll tell you now that when I was searching for information on this board regarding how best to start out using the Lenormand, it was HARD to find an unbiased constructive review or comparison when it comes to Sylvie's vs whatever other system. It's either harsh bashing or defensive praises championing systems and characters.
I think LisaW said it best:
LisaW said:I'm grateful for all information, and then the freedom to pick and choose. It's unrealistic to think that only Sylvie has the answers, or on the flip side that Treppner has all the answers- they're not the only two who read lenormand!
That is precisely my feeling. If you go back and read my review/comparison post again, you will see that I thought both systems complemented each other well for me. And I wanted to share that sentiment with others who may be having trouble seeking a more detailed comparison between the two rather than the usual "I dislike her, she's horrible" vs "she has decades of experience and is so kind to share it with us" sort of deal... which in all honesty, has nothing to do with how useful or good the Treppner course and Sylvie's book was. I wanted to talk about the material itself, and like most reviews, there would be pros and cons. Those were simply my experiences.
There is certainly no need to validate Sylvie's expertise or system to me by listing out her extensive experience or accomplishments. I'm not doubting her system; in fact, I use it and enjoy it all the time as mentioned in my comparison. I like her system because a lot of it made sense to me, and it worked. It isn't (and won't ever be) because she has tons of thousands of experience with clients or comes from generations of Lenormand readers. Her system has proven to work for me, and that's enough in my opinion.
Again, I think you may have misunderstood my point completely. I'm not here to argue about a system and say which card should be which. In my opinion, that's a personal thing and a reader should choose what feels right to them. I used the Fox and Anchor to illustrate that point and how it was beneficial to me that I had two systems to work with because it allows alternatives, variety, and most of all... it made me think about which one made sense to me personally.Phoenix Rising said:I also wanted to touch on why she used Fox for work, and also the understanding that I have of that card. A fox is an animal who does things out of habit for it's survival, it's a means to live, just like a job is. People are not always going to stay at the same job for the rest of their lives, just as anchor might suggest. A fox moves, sometimes cunningly. Now explain to me how you see anchor as best representing a job or work?
I was in no way inferring that Sylvie's system is inferior because I didn't see the Fox as a work/career card. Should I have gone on to point out that I agreed with Sylvie and saw Whips as a sexuality card more than the traditional Lily? Would that appease Sylvie fans? But you see, superiority in card meanings wasn't my point. In fact, I even added that I understood Sylvie's reasoning behind the Fox being a work/career card... just that it wasn't for me personally.
For all my intents and purposes, what each card actually means aren't even relevant... but to address your question about why I see Anchor as the work card- it is mostly because I see a career as the thing that gives stability to ones life. As I mentioned in my initial post, I can see Fox to represent work sometimes... but maybe only as an odd job here or there. But when it comes to a career or a stable job, Anchor is it for me. Another large reason I didn't want to assign the Fox to work is because I see it mainly as a deception, lies, or cunning creativity. I'd like to reserve that card for that and save myself the confusion of wondering if Fox was talking about my job or someone deceiving me. There are more reasons... but again, that is all personal and it's something I've come to decide for myself after studying the differences in systems (and I'm glad for that).
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In all honesty, I had wondered to myself if I was making a mistake by talking about my experience with Sylvie's method and Treppner's course... and yea, I really should've kept my mouth shut because I'm beginning to think that anything said about the Lenormand teachings (especially those pertaining to Sylvie's method) is just going to end up being misconstrued. There's a wide chasm between her dedicated fans and those who dislike her for whatever reason. Those who like her are only going to think that any little "unfavorable" thing said about her book is an attack on Sylvie's character and expertise, while those who dislike her are only going to jump on those aspects and say "Yea her book sucks!"
I had never made a comment anywhere on this site pertaining to either and have tried not to let either side influence me while searching for information to learn on. I initially thought that maybe my post could shed some light for those who might want to know what it was about each system (and teaching material) that worked for someone else, hopefully backed up with specific reasons, which was what I tried to do.
I largely ignored the mention of the study group, because as I have also said, I wasn't a part of it. So it was a pure comparison between her book and the Treppner course... which now that I think about it, is probably an accurate way of comparing, seeing as how the Treppners are not here leading a study group. In that way, it's solely seeing how each body of written work stands as itself.
That said, I have said this before to Sylvie on another thread and I'll say it again now. I think it's wonderful that she had taken the time to lead the study group here, and obviously those who attended have benefited from it greatly. I've also mentioned that I understand her reasons for stopping. In fact, I said I would chalk the whole "study group no longer active" thing as it being unfortunate for ME that I missed it. I'm not blaming her for it.
In short, I was merely sharing my own learning experience for her book and for Treppner's course, as well as my experience with not being able to participate in the study group. I LIKE Sylvie's system. I LIKE the Treppner Course. BOTH had their own merits, differences, and shortcomings in the delivery, which is normal. I took whatever works for me from BOTH. That is all.
Disclaimer: There were no hidden agendas, backstabbing motives, or mysterious criticisms/praises involved in my comparison review and subsequent posts.