Tarot of Marseilles help desk (Frequently Asked Questions): Non-History

[tmgrl2]

Hi all....just re-read this thread after Rusty's bump....

I got my Hadar's Veritable Tarot de Marseille a couple of weeks ago. I do love it...I have the Camoin-Jodo as well and the Grimaud is on its way..also have the Conver...

I really like the softness of the Hadar deck...and, btw, I got it from Amazon.ca. Search Veritable Tarot de Marseille...it comes up looking like it's a book but it is the deck. I also signed up at Kris Hadar's website as a passive member. Right now he has two courses available in ENGLISH...One on the Tarot and one on Numbers. In a contact a bit back with Diana, also, she mentioned she will be translating Hadar's LWB for his website, so that will be available as well.

Anyhow, since I last read this thread, I have really been coming to love the Tarot de Marseille...no rush. I pull a card a day, slip it in plastic, carry it with me to work, and when I come home I reflect on how this card may have related to my day...So far, all minors and no trouble with just getting quiet and listening to what the card has to say to me...

I still have RW and love my Gilded Tarot...but I believe I will wind up using the Tarot de Marseille as much if not more.

terri

 

[filipas]

lunakasha wrote:
I was just looking through the cards and noticed the Two of Cups (Coupes) has some writing at the bottom of the card, almost like an "extra card", except it is the only Two of Cups in the deck!!!!

It says: Maritxu de Guler, specialiste du Tarot, A. Aymerich, creation artistique

Hi lunakasha,

This is one of at least two different Marseilles decks published by Fournier. The other is an actual reproduction of an early Conver Marseilles (a great historical deck to have!), while this is a modern artist's recreation of the Conver. As hinted at on the Two of Coins, A. Aymerich was the illustrator for this deck and Maritxu de Guler directed or oversaw the project, very likely directing finer points such as whether or not to include certain details and specifying the color schemes used.

Maritxu de Guler also directed the design of a (now hard-to-find) Tarot deck titled "Tarot Mitico Vasco" ("Basque Mythical Tarot") which illustrates legends from the Basque region of Spain. I'm fairly sure she directed one other published Tarot but I can't remember which.

Thanks,

- Mark

 

[punchinella]

I have a question regarding the "Dodal" deck, scans of which Jmd seems to often attach to threads on various cards. I understand a restoration has been done (of the majors--by the same person responsible for restoring "Noblet" . . . ) But I would very much like to own, not this restoration but rather the reproduction (as scanned, for example, on page 3 of the thread on XI La Force). Is there such a deck in existence, and in print? Or am I out of luck?

Thanks--

Punchinella

 

[Rusty Neon]

Hi punchinella ... In response to your question about the Dodal photoreproduction deck:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23806

 

[punchinella]

Ah. I was afraid of that. I had seen that thread when it started, but wasn't sure whether that deck & the one I've had my eye on were one & the same.

Thanks for the info.

P.

 

[Laura Borealis]

Question/request:

I was wondering if the sticky "Table of Contents" in the Historical Research forum could also be stickied in this forum. I know it is linked from the "Beginner's Guide" sticky, but it took me a while to find it. Also, many of the threads linked in the "Table of Contents" lead to this forum, not the Historical Research forum.


I'm finding all these threads to be fascinating. I want a good Marseilles in hand when I'm reading, though. I have the Spanish and I like it, but I itch for a "real" Marseilles. The only one I've found locally is the U.S. Games one, which I don't like. But I'm planning to order a Hadar later this summer when money is less tight, and I'd like to get a Conver reproduction as well.

 

[Moongold]

The Kings

I have just noticed that all the Kings but the Roy de Deniers have an actual crown of some kind in their leminiscate hats.

Why do you think this is? I have alwasy seen the Roy de deniers as a trade king - perhaps even a bit Eastern - and wondered whether he needed a crown. Or perhaps the lack of the Crown signifies some 15th Century contempt for "new money" - not the moneu that perhaps comes from ancient royal lineage?

Any other ideas anyone or will I just go with the feeling?

Fournier Marseilles

 

[Rusty Neon]

The Kings

Moongold .... I think that the simplest explanation for the King of Coins not having a crown, while the other three kings do, is the 'Odd Man Out' principle enunciated by Jodorowsky and Camoin in connection with the Marseilles deck.

It is interesting too that the Batons suit, associated by Etteilla and others with the peasant class, does have a King with a crown - even though peasants themselves couldn't actually be a king. Perhaps this could be explained by the fact that the peasant class, unlike the merchant class, were part of the feudal system.

Thus, the fact that the King of Coins doesn't have a crown could be viewed in a positive light. The merchant class were nouveaux-riches and looked down on by the nobility; however, the merchant class is a self-made class they didn't need the old strictures of the feudal system to succeed.

 

[Moongold]

Thanks Rusty Neon.

Interesting link. And your theory is more or less compatible with my original thought.

These little details - so interesting. I don't I am perpetuating the class system or not by using this deck

 

[kwaw]

Re: The Kings

I have just noticed that all the Kings but the Roy de Deniers have an actual crown of some kind in their leminiscate hats.

Why do you think this is? I have alwasy seen the Roy de deniers as a trade king - perhaps even a bit Eastern - and wondered whether he needed a crown. Or perhaps the lack of the Crown signifies some 15th Century contempt for "new money" - not the moneu that perhaps comes from ancient royal lineage?

Any other ideas anyone or will I just go with the feeling?

Fournier Marseilles

This makes me think of the four figures of the wheel of fortune in some other decks [eg, the visconti], one that will rule/have a crown, one that does rule/has a crown, one that has ruled/had a crown, one that has no rule/crown.

Kwaw