Game of Hope Lenormand

[DownUnderNZer]

Whichever you like better ! I have the TP one - I was at TarotCon and I liked it. I'm not enough into Lennie's to buy another, but if I were, I would want both, I think. Because they aren't as alike as to make one the answer to everything !

debra suggested that tag's proportions are closer to the originals. My eyesight isn't up to hers and cirom said he stayed as close to the originals as he could, so I dunno.....

Thanks! Dunno is right, but will investigate a little more.

Took a quick look at Tarot Professional just now and I think that has been and gone, so will look at FB next for Ciro.....

 

[cirom]

There have be a number of assumptions and misconceptions posted here which I'd like to clarify.
First of all in terms of the color, texture and "aged look" of the work I did on this project it's not closer to that of the BM.... its identical. Using selective cloning, with dodge and burn techniques alpha channels etc etc That was actually the challenge and the difficult part.... In terms of position and size, I made minimum changes to the position of elements in order that the overall image filled the slightly more portrait proportions of these contemporary cards stipulated by the printer of this edition. I deliberately avoided however "distorting" the elements themselves as has been described. The only " inventiveness" *I brought to the process was to produce accurate backgrounds which in reality are dirtier towards the edges, and extending them to areas of the cards that had been deliberately cropped over the years. As presumably one can assume that in their original form they would have been complete cards.

Having seen some examples of this later Forestelle deck it appears that my decision to fill in the damaged and cropped edges of the BM images has been " followed" as opposed to her simply using the images as they are provided by the BM. Hence my earlier use of the term "followed" And as such contributes something to the similarity of the two as they have that same common denominator compared to the BM files. It also appears that she chose to modify the images, lightening them up, and increasing the hue and saturation and the use of Photoshop filters to apply an aged look. This is perfectly ok and as I also mentioned earlier I wouldn't presume to suggest that one is better than the other. I would quite understand why some people might prefer the cleaned up look, In fact it comes as no surprise that some would. However while you may indeed like the cleaner version just because... Or because you romantically believe that's how it would have looked in the past, but its worth considering in your assessment that it isn't in reality the case. In fact it's physically impossible that this cleaned up look is how the deck would have looked. So in a nutshell get the one you like..... Because you like it, not because of some mistaken assumption or over analysis.

*There was one other "inventiveness" on my part. I created a design for the back. I used actual elements from the original artist so that the line work and color and look were as identical themed as possible. However TP chose not to use that in their second print run and reverted to the plan backs which the BM deck has.

 

[gregory]

Fair enough. If I were heavily into Lennies I would want both anyway - but yours is very lovely, Cirom, and that was the first available to me, so...

I can't see enough on line to say which I would otherwise prefer

 

[DownUnderNZer]

gregory...not wearing my specs...but did I see 56 000 plus posts as I whizzed on down?

My question then is this...is it possible to buy both then?
Does Cirom still have them for sale?

 

[gregory]

Cirom's were sold by TarotProfessionals, who I THINK are sold out, but you could ask Tali. They were considering a reprint, I think. I have completely lost the plot on that, now. But I can't SEE it for sale anywhere right now.

Oops I take that back. It is on their site - the 3rd edition.
http://www.tarotprofessionals.com/originallenormand.html

And tag's link is still up there, as far as I know. Though from what she says here, maybe still only in the US just now.

And yes, I am that gabby....

 

[cirom]

One more clarification, its not cirom's version in any possessive sense. I do not sell this deck and have never sold them or had any financial involvement whatsoever. The work I did was on voluntary basis.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

Im gonna get both...only right now on phone as 3 30am and Im getting hair done at 9am...so will organise tomorrow if not too late.

Special treat to myself and these decks will have to be well looked after.

Thanks you are a saviour as I searched in there under Lenormand and Game of Hope and got taken to Lulu with Mark Katz and his book.

Thanks!

Cirom's were sold by TarotProfessionals, who I THINK are sold out, but you could ask Tali. They were considering a reprint, I think. I have completely lost the plot on that, now. But I can't SEE it for sale anywhere right now.

Oops I take that back. It is on their site - the 3rd edition.
http://www.tarotprofessionals.com/originallenormand.html

And tag's link is still up there, as far as I know. Though from what she says here, maybe still only in the US just now.

And yes, I am that gabby....

 

[tarot heart]

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Having seen some examples of this later Forestelle deck it appears that my decision to fill in the damaged and cropped edges of the BM images has been " followed" as opposed to her simply using the images as they are provided by the BM. Hence my earlier use of the term "followed" And as such contributes something to the similarity of the two as they have that same common denominator compared to the BM files. It also appears that she chose to modify the images, lightening them up, and increasing the hue and saturation and the use of Photoshop filters to apply an aged look. This is perfectly ok and as I also mentioned earlier I wouldn't presume to suggest that one is better than the other. I would quite understand why some people might prefer the cleaned up look, In fact it comes as no surprise that some would. However while you may indeed like the cleaner version just because... Or because you romantically believe that's how it would have looked in the past, but its worth considering in your assessment that it isn't in reality the case. In fact it's physically impossible that this cleaned up look is how the deck would have looked. So in a nutshell get the one you like..... Because you like it, not because of some mistaken assumption or over analysis.

*There was one other "inventiveness" on my part. I created a design for the back. I used actual elements from the original artist so that the line work and color and look were as identical themed as possible. However TP chose not to use that in their second print run and reverted to the plan backs which the BM deck has.

Cirom, the only major difference I can see between the British Museum's online photo of the cards and your images are the borders that go around the cards. In fact, Tali Goodwin specifically states this is what you were asked to do. I am guessing this was necessary according to the specifications from the printer. Likewise, I am sure Tag_jorrit had to do the same. I do not think she "followed" your "decision." This was something that had to be done in order to print the cards according to the printer's standards.

Also, I don't agree that it is physically impossible that her cleaned up look does not more closely resemble what the cards may have looked like. That is merely your assessment. What is certain is that the old, aged look of the cards as they appear now and which you admit you replicated as "identical" to the original museum's images, could certainly not be the way they originally appeared over 100 years ago.

I will say that I really like what you did with the backs of the cards even though the original ones were plain and that alone would make them not "identical" to the originals (although preferable). However, I also like what Tag did with the backs and she created her own design which certainly complements the images on the fronts.

But I agree with you on one major point which would seem obvious to everyone who buys any deck or anything at all for that matter...get the one you like. No over anaysis there.

 

[ladybird]

She has them available to ship worldwide! Now available in mini combo & with Star backs! So cool! The Star backs are not numbered but are still limited. I purchased the numbered limited edition but really like those Star backs! I don't think I need another one! Darnit!

http://gameofhopelenormand.bigcartel.com/

 

[DownUnderNZer]

One more clarification, its not cirom's version in any possessive sense. I do not sell this deck and have never sold them or had any financial involvement whatsoever. The work I did was on voluntary basis.

I hope whoever does sell it gives you credit for the work you did and puts some of the profits towards a good cause....if any. eg Art scholarship.

Revelation to know Madam Lenormand may not have been behind these cards but a Madam Charlotte.

Learn a new thing everyday....