Detecting Untrustworthy People

[DownUnderNZer]

The Counterfeit Serial Killer I think is: James Mitchell DeBARDELEBEN II.

His IQ was 130 not 160. Highly intelligent.

Discovery:

Lots of torture photos in the hundreds and audio tapes were found when they were busting him for fraud and counterfeiting etc. They have put together some of them with known victims, but not all.

Seems through his earlier victims that did survive (they came forward after his capture) he posed as a "police officer" with some of them.

Other than that - he is dead now and never really spoke of what he did. Not a bragger or a confessor. In fact, he said that it was a set up by secret agents.

So, it seems he sometimes passed himself off as a police officer, but other times he just outright kidnapped his victims especially if they were alone.

A Love - Hate relationship with his mother would have been a contributing factor as well as possibly the failure of 5 marriages.


What female or male would not trust a police officer?


DND



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Israel Keyes would have to be one of the most fascinating serial killers, to me, as he had his own serial killing kits buried in different locations throughout the USA and some times for up to about 3 years untouched. Organised and meticulous to a fault even in his day job as a Carpenter. His victims were absolutely random and both male and female - his only rule was no children.

Then there is the "Counterfeit Serial Killer" that likely killed over 200 women and was only found out through being busted for counterfeiting. He had an IQ of 160 and became bored with serial killing, so was counterfeiting on the side.

Now for him to have got away with so many murders over many years makes me wonder about the level of deception he used to do it and cover his tracks from the law.

I would like to know more about what made him tick etc and why the FBI failed all those girls and their families by not putting some kind of pattern together.

One girl being dragged into a car and not seen by a witness is plausible, but at least once it was possibly two at the same time. Was hitch hiking involved or pulling a gun on them?

As far as I know he has never talked about it.

DND

 

[G6]

What female or male would not trust a police officer?


DND



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Ted Bundy did the similar trick with pretending to be injured. Broken arm, etc.,

The ploy seems to be to give the victim a false sense of security to comply with their requests.

In a more everyday/common way, it's like when deceptive/untrustworthy people make phony admissions or confessions or make themselves seem vulnerable in some way to gain your trust, so you have your guard down when they pull a fast one over on you.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

"Vulnerability".....who would not want to defend the underdog or victim.

USA has the highest numbers I reckon for serial killers, so imagine the ones that are not known or on any radar.

Those are the ones I would be concerned about - the ones not yet known and/or caught.

DND

Ted Bundy did the similar trick with pretending to be injured. Broken arm, etc.,

The ploy seems to be to give the victim a false sense of security to comply with their requests.

In a more everyday/common way, it's like when deceptive/untrustworthy people make phony admissions or confessions or make themselves seem vulnerable in some way to gain your trust, so you have your guard down when they pull a fast one over on you.

 

[MissNine]

Well, I take out a string of garlic and a cross and ...wait! sorry, that's vampires!

If it's a work setting, there's really no way around finding out if a colleague is trustworthy other than (1) word of mouth that this person is not to be trusted because they duped others or (2) they screw you over and then you know better.

If it's a social situation, I think it's similar, but I get a vibe off someone that either they are unstable or have funky energy. Still, I'll give anyone a chance but tread carefully if I had that feeling, but don't let it impair my ability to be open to building a connection.

 

[Disa]

Hey Folks!

Does anyone have a foolproof method for detecting untrustworthy people or people with bad intentions toward you?

Any experiences or practices to share on this topic?

I always trust my vibes.

I get vibes in the extreme- when people are extremes. Upon first meeting a person, if I get this sort of "repelling" sensation that's how I know their intentions are not good or they are untrustworthy. It can mean just pay attention because they aren't what they are presenting themselves to be. This feeling has proved true to me over the course of several years.

I also seem to get this "attracting" vibe which means they are seriously okay and much nicer, safer than the average person.

It doesn't happen with every single person I meet, it seems to only be in extreme personalities? IDK.

As far as body language goes, I haven't studied it and I don't try to figure it out. Mostly because a lot of the "by the book" body language people say, I do some of them and I'm not lying, and I don't do tons of them that are supposed to mean this and that. The example someone gave of saying I DID NOT STEAL. Instead of I didn't steal, well when my character is threatened and I'm innocent I do get defensive and pissed off (and loud), because I'm pretty honest and people who know me should know better. It's highly insulting when I'm accused of something I DID NOT DO especially by someone who knows my character.

The body language thing is always funny to me when they accuse tarot readers of using body language because in that department I have NO clue..haha

 

[Disa]

Yes, I would think good looking people have a much easier time getting their way or deceiving others with little effort because so many people are willing to attach their fantasies to a good looking person and ignore reality.

THIS is true. For many people. Again, trust your vibes. I met this guy at a friend's brother's funeral. The friend thought the world of this guy because he was handsome, dressed well, smelled SO good. As soon as I met him I shook his hand and got that "repelling" sensation. I usually jerk my hand away but this time I waited a few seconds just for the natural progression of "stopping the handshake?"...Anyway, I got the sensation of drugs and that he was involved in the death of the brother. I had never met this guy and hadn't even seen the deceased for close to 10 or 15 years, I guess. Turns out, he worked with the brother, did drugs with him the night he died and may have had a hand at getting him home that night... I never fall for those types of people, appearances are NOT everything, I don't care how many people say it. I trust a hardworking guy in dirty shoes and paint all over his jeans more readily than a man dressed to the nines...just me.

 

[G6]

"Vulnerability".....who would not want to defend the underdog or victim.

USA has the highest numbers I reckon for serial killers, so imagine the ones that are not known or on any radar.

Those are the ones I would be concerned about - the ones not yet known and/or caught.

DND

By vulnerability I meant the deceptive/untrustworthy person uses this tactic to gain the victims trust.

Since we have everyone here in the US from all over the world and such a big population in general I guess it would make sense that we have more serial killers.

 

[G6]

I always trust my vibes.

I get vibes in the extreme- when people are extremes. Upon first meeting a person, if I get this sort of "repelling" sensation that's how I know their intentions are not good or they are untrustworthy. It can mean just pay attention because they aren't what they are presenting themselves to be. This feeling has proved true to me over the course of several years.

I also seem to get this "attracting" vibe which means they are seriously okay and much nicer, safer than the average person.

It doesn't happen with every single person I meet, it seems to only be in extreme personalities? IDK.

As far as body language goes, I haven't studied it and I don't try to figure it out. Mostly because a lot of the "by the book" body language people say, I do some of them and I'm not lying, and I don't do tons of them that are supposed to mean this and that. The example someone gave of saying I DID NOT STEAL. Instead of I didn't steal, well when my character is threatened and I'm innocent I do get defensive and pissed off (and loud), because I'm pretty honest and people who know me should know better. It's highly insulting when I'm accused of something I DID NOT DO especially by someone who knows my character.

The body language thing is always funny to me when they accuse tarot readers of using body language because in that department I have NO clue..haha

I get vibes, but it's more whether I feel a connection or not with someone to pursue deeper involvement.

More of the detection is necessary for what are called "covert aggressives" essentially people that are very good at faking positive connections with others to gain trust and see what they can get out of them or how they can gain perceived social advantage by screwing them over.

These folks exist and they can come off as very nice and sociable in an authentic way.

 

[G6]

Well, I take out a string of garlic and a cross and ...wait! sorry, that's vampires!

If it's a work setting, there's really no way around finding out if a colleague is trustworthy other than (1) word of mouth that this person is not to be trusted because they duped others or (2) they screw you over and then you know better.

If it's a social situation, I think it's similar, but I get a vibe off someone that either they are unstable or have funky energy. Still, I'll give anyone a chance but tread carefully if I had that feeling, but don't let it impair my ability to be open to building a connection.

Word of mouth is good. Ask others what they think about so and so or if so and so is brought up ask if they know them well, etc., to find out more.

Yes, it is a balancing act to protect yourself, but be open to new connections. I keep new folks at arms length and engage in a measured way. Ive found this approach works for me.

Another tip is to absolutely not divulge information that is deeply personal or can be used against you in a hurtful way. This is true for personal or business relationships. You are very much in control of your information. Unfortunately, people with boundary issues are most susceptible to untrustworthy people. They sense these folks are easy targets.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

Well, am sure I have brought this story up on AT before, about my younger sister.

When she was about 10 yrs or so there were these two kids she use to play with from time to time. Mainly the little girl rather then the brother. Their dad was absolutely doting on them and always good to my sister. Sometimes he would leave them by themselves, but always made sure they had everything they needed - even money.

She really liked him. I think everyone did. He was a hands on father and very protective of his family. A good all round type.

Anyways, one day she was over there playing and he left and returned, and on his return he asked if she could play there a bit longer as he had to go somewhere. He pulled out a wad of rolled notes and told her to do something like go to this near by "Adventure Park" if they all wanted - whatever they wanted to do for the day.

Nothing seemed out of the ordinary really except this time he let them know he was going to be a while and of course the wad of notes which was about $200 plus. She said they had the best day ever!

What she, and his kids didn't know, was that in the boot of his car was a dead body.


I think murderers come in all shapes and forms as well as levels of deception.

DND

By vulnerability I meant the deceptive/untrustworthy person uses this tactic to gain the victims trust.

Since we have everyone here in the US from all over the world and such a big population in general I guess it would make sense that we have more serial killers.