A Challenge

[ihcoyc]

One thing I'd add is that Saturn, in the tenth house, is one of the things I tend to associate with poor career performance. Whatever Hitler was, that isn't really something he could be accused of.

On the other hand, you look at the facts of his life: he failed as a painter. He led a failed coup. He kept on trying until finally he became the leader of his country. That's Saturnian perseverence.

His Saturn is getting an unfriendly aspect from Venus and Mars. Venus is retrograde, but essentially strong, in her own sign. Mars is in detriment. Not only are these planets aspecting Saturn, but their antiscions are conjunct one another. (Antiscion Saturn is at 16 Taurus; antiscion Venus and Mars are both at 13 Leo).

I get the feeling that no matter what Hitler achieved, it would never be enough. He was doomed to be always unsatisfied with what he had done in his career; miserly Saturn, insatiable Venus, and aggressive Mars made sure of it. He'd always feel a failure inside no matter what he did. So you became chancellor of Germany? Well, it took you long enough. Maybe if I conquer Poland and France, Mother will love me again.

 

[MareSaturni]

I am sorry for my delay, I had a small internet problem. But now I will give this a try.

I'd like to say that my analysis will be very simple because I am not well acquainted with all aspects yet, so it's hard for me to look at a chart and immediately understand how the planets affect each other. Please, no rotten tomatoes! Most of my interpretations come from my own notes and some books... I apologize if some sound "stiff" as I am still coming to grips with the astrological language.

First, on Mercury being Combust, I have to disagree with Cor serpentis. I think it IS indeed Combust - according to my research Mercury has to be 14º or less away from the Sun in either side to be Combust (and in Hitler's chart is is). None of my sources say it has to be on the same sign. I also disagree that it'd be an immediate indication of "mental problems" as ihcoyc said - Mercury stays combust for more than half of the year. That would mean that a big part of the population would have "evil mental problems". I am sure these tendencies could be indicated by other elements in the chart.

Back to it. My first ideas:

While looking for general patterns, I noticed that this chart has a lot of planets in the Western part of the chart - "setting" planets. According to one of my books, this symbolizes that this person's life is very connected - and sometimes dependent - on other people's life. I'd would say that Hitler needed to be with the right kind of people to rise and, indeed, he was.

Sun in Taurus indicates someone who prefers to stabilize things. The native tends to deal with things in a rather practical way, seeking to conserve all as it is intend of trying new ways. Taurus has a tendency to retain things, emotions, memories and ideas, and clings to them. In the 7th House, this Sun shows that the native will "cast his light" upon the others, kind of mesmerize them (and perhaps blind them at the same time). He may also be a bit dependent on how others see him.

Libra rising, with a Taurus Sun, can make the native a lover of beauty because of the strength of Venus in the chart. However, is cools a bit Taurus earthy sensuality, rendering him a bit more detached and mental. This is complemented by his Moon in detriment. The Native seeks order and "perfection" in a sense, and is sometime slow to make decisions and take actions.

Moon in Capricorn, it's in a detrimental position, which renders the individual a bit cold and capable to detaching himself from his emotions when needed. Capricorn stabilizes the Moon, and gives it ambition. Because the Moon is also related to how you draw people to you (like the Moon itself attracts the tides) , I'd say this native is someone who will seek a lot of public attention and honor.

Both the Sun and the Rising sign have the same ruler, Venus, so I think this would give this planets a special strength. Also, I'd say that Libra rising would make Hitler appear more charming than he actually was inside, because Libra is a gentleman when dealing with others (even if the emotions inside disagree, bur Air signs don't care so much about emotions).

I think it's interesting look for Venus, because of its importance. It's in Taurus, conjunct with Mars in the 7th House. It's in its rulership and within its house, I'd day it's completely comfortable there. My first idea of a Venus so strong is related to his interest in art and beauty, because this is one thing that Hitler focused on before his political career. His high ideals of perfection could be also connected to this. In the 7th house, Venus makes the native popular with the public and pleasant when dealing with others.

It's funny that Mars, being in the same house, could represent strife with others. Mars is in detriment in Taurus, and not well-placed in the 7th house - it's not feeling very comfortable. So I think the aspect between Mars and Venus would not be all flowers, because of Mars' bad position. So this conjunction feels a bit inharmonious. According to my notes, in a man's chart this combination makes one proud and arrogant. It also makes the native fight the people he loves quite often, and lose his temper on them.

Mercury in Aries makes the native good at discussing and arguing, passionate when speaking and also a natural leader. His mind and words are kind of guided by the instinct, and because Mercury is in the 6th House this shows his communication skills will be important at his job. Because Mercury is Combust, it could indicate some difficulties in learning

Well... that's it for now. I focused on the personal planets first, now I'll take a look at Jupiter and Saturn and the outer planets. I am sorry if I was verbose, I wanted to show where my conclusions came from... as a part of my own study. Please, feel free to correct me if I said anything stupid.

Thank you very much for reading this.

 

[dadsnook2000]

Nice read

Marina, thank you. I enjoyed your observations. Like always, when reading someone's views on a chart, I've learned several things. Dave

 

[MareSaturni]

Marina, thank you. I enjoyed your observations. Like always, when reading someone's views on a chart, I've learned several things. Dave

Thank you very much Dave, your opinion is very important to me.

I realize that I have the benefit of the hindsight when it comes to Hitler's life, because he's someone from the past and I happen to have studied his biography sometimes. I am no specialist, but I know some facts.

I did try to interpret a chart in a way that avoid obvious 'a-ha!' moments, and things like "so this is WHY he blah blah blah", because it's easy to think every little detail connects to and/or justifies a situation. I don't believe Hitler did what he did and was who he was merely because his natal chart told so. But it may show the tendencies that would later flourish in the Führer figure.

Tonight I'll take a look at Jupiter and Saturn, and probably at that glaring Uranus over there. I'll try to keep it simple, like the first part.

 

[Minderwiz]

Some comments

Firstly the issue of Mercury's combustion. Cor Sepentis is not wrong, nor for that matter is Marina. There's conflicting views here. Indeed Lilly defines Combustion as:

'when in the same sign as the Sun is in.........(and) not distant from the Sun eight and a half degrees'

Now that seems clear enough but Lilly then goes on to say 'it's the body of the Sun that does afflict'. Well if it's the 'body' that does 'afflict' then it's physical proximity that is important and not zodiacal longitude. Lilly also says nothing about sign placement when he talks about Under the beams, the condition immediately preceding and then succeeding Combustion. Lilly lists a debility score of -4 for Under the beams, and -5 for Combustion, so there's not a massive benefit from only being 'Under the beams'.

My own view, for what it's worth is that it is the physical proximity that matters and Mercury is combust in Hitler's chart - however, that's an opinion, not fact.

Secondly, Cor serpentis makes a good attempt to introduce star aspects - in particular conjunctions and this is something that Modern Astrology rarely does, though there's absolutely no reason why that should be the case. Facies, is characterised by Bernadette Brady as being 'Ruthless' and also 'a Victim'. Now Hitler did see himself, and Germany as the victim of (for him) the betrayal of the 'November criminals' who signed the Armistice in 1918. There's little doubt that Hitler could be ruthless. These days we might have advised Hitler to seek counselling for his obsession with the November betrayal'

Dave introduce the Neptune/Pluto cycle. Now, as is well known I'm not a fan of these two
and don't really feel they do much good in natal Astrology. However, Dave's point is actually more related to Mundane Astrology - the conditions nationally and indeed globally during Hitler's life - and in the case of Mundane Astrology, there may well be a case for using these two and even Uranus. Certainly Dave's point is one which we should pay a lot of attention to, because Hitler's career cannot be explained without reference to the international and national situation. think there's more that we can get from that field.

Marina is so right to draw our attention to Venus and it's manifestation in his chart - Hindsight says that Hitler was pure evil, so how could he have gained power? Surely tThe Germans too must have been evil or unable to see clearly his true nature? Much of the post war hubris of the West was 'it couldn't happen here'. However Hitler does have a personable side, Hitler played on the German sense of injustice in the post war settlement and sadly, Germany is not the only country to have ceded power to someone who turns out to be 'evil' in hindsight - Cromwell in England, and Robespierre in France spring to mind. They did not however have the means of mass destruction that Hitler had at his disposal. She is also right about Hitler's career - he was a failure at everything he tried - you can't be a bigger failure than to destroy utterly your own country and hand it over to it's enemies.

Some things that struck me - Hitler is Melancholic - quite strongly so. He also has a Sanguine side that is significant and perhaps explains why he managed to work so well with others. Hitler's significator of Manners is Jupiter (they're being no planet in the Ascendant we look to planets which are with the Moon or Mercury). Jupiter brings an ability to get on well with others, However Jupiter is in Fall and Lilly says it signifies -

'lovers of themselves....a scornful disdainful mind, proud, superstitious, fearful, dissembling, a kind of vain candour, negligent, prodigal'.

That certainly seems to fit with what we know of Hitler, he was superstitious, he did see and fear conspiracies, and he was scornful and disdainful of others.

If we look at the essential dignity of his planets virtually all are weak, except for Venus. Which is Lady of his Geniture. However Venus has problems - in his chart Venus is Lord of the eighth and Lord of the twelfth - the two worst Houses in his chart - Venus is an accidental malefic. Venus is in partile conjuction with Mars, the natural significator of war and violence and Mars is Lord 6 (as well as ruling the Descendant). So Mars is not only a natural malefic and thus afflicts Venus, but is also an accidental malefic. Both these two are squared by Saturn from the tenth. Saturn is in detriment and therefore essentially weak but is in a strong place. The Square itself is not partile, so we might weaken this link BUT the antiscion of Saturn is 16 degrees Taurus - Saturn has a double connection to these two planets and one of them is accurate to the degree. Venus is thus afflicted by both malefics and both the malefics are essentially weak - and when weak they become more dangerous. Saturn is also the Almuten of Hitler's Libra Ascendant, not Venus (something that Cor serpentis picked up on).

Hitler's MC is ruled by the Sun, and of course Rulership is one of the solar careers - Hitler did indeed get to the top. His Sun however is Peregrine, so Hitler will only get to the top, if he has a lot of help from benefactors. And indeed he did - politically he allied with Ludendorf in the early years and he got financial support from may industrialists. Hitler's Sun is in conjunction with Sharatan a fixed star which is said to bring 'bodily injuries, unscrupulous defeat, destruction by fire, war or earthquake' (OK the earthquake was missing but the rest is correct). Hitler's MC is conjunct the star Praesepe which the Chinese associated with 'Exhaltation of piled up corpses' and in the west, with 'brutality, wantoness and adventure.'

So it's not so much the planets that cause us to see something 'special' in Hitler's chart but the addition of aspects to the fixed stars by key planets - Moon and Sun, and key points, the MC.

Now Dave would like to know how we counsel Hitler. The problem here is that the national and international context heightened his susceptibility to pursue the career path he took. How do we dispel those perceptions? Counselling only works if the subject wishes to be counselled. Hitler might have met a 'Dave type' person in the trenches, then perhaps he might have learnt by example but by 1923 the die was cast. Of course, if Dave or I had been in Landsberg prison, perhaps Hitler might have taken up Astrology instead of writing Mein Kampf. Do such meetings nudge us from one path onto another?

 

[dadsnook2000]

On the way to the beer hall

Minderwiz, its interesting that you mention 1923, a significant year for Hitler. I've done a precession-corrected Solar Return for 1923 and find interesting patterns. The interpretations I give are taken from my book.

April 22, 1923. MC 24:20 Aries (a degree or so from his natal Desc.), Asc. 10:39 Leo (6 degrees or so from his natal MC). The UT of the chart is 10h41m56s should anyone want to recreate it for themselves. I kept the natal location out of convenience (read as being lazy).

** MC/s @ Des/n: Life will take a new turn this year which you will have to adapt to. Plans and projects will either have to moved forward or will be delayed.

** Asc/s @ MC/n: Image and respect are overly important right now. If denied, actions will be take (reflecting any angular planets). Sun, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, Uranus were all angular. We can read these symbols of his actions --- storming the political meeting of a poiitical adversary, waving a gun, ranting at the crowd, announcing a takeover, throwing out the adversary's supporters, later marching on government institutions, insisting that he would lead everyone to a new Germany. We just don't know "when" these actions will take place in that year using the Solar Return chart.

Progressing the angles of that S/R to Nov. 8, 1923 we find the following data:
Nov. 8, 1923. MC @ 17:21 Cancer, Asc. @ 13:41 Libra. UT is 03h20m00s at the natal birth locations.

** MC is close to the natal Node: Associations will support ones goals.

** Asc. conjoins transiting Mars: One acts with great passion and energy. Since natal Mars is in the natal 7th house and daily chart's 8th house, we might see this as partners are involved but their involvement will be unequal (8th house). Transiting Mars in the daily charts 1st house (personal strong actions) will take dominence over natal Mars in the 7th or 8th. Hitler will insist o this being his party.

No matter which methods or charts we use, Astrology works well in painting a picture of ourselves and the events we participate in. That is the enticing mystery for us astrologers as well as the difficult part of explaining it to non-astrologers. Dave

 

[rota]

following this discussion with interest. many thanks to the writers!

 

[MareSaturni]

Firstly the issue of Mercury's combustion. Cor Sepentis is not wrong, nor for that matter is Marina. There's conflicting views here. Indeed Lilly defines Combustion as:

'when in the same sign as the Sun is in.........(and) not distant from the Sun eight and a half degrees'

Now that seems clear enough but Lilly then goes on to say 'it's the body of the Sun that does afflict'. Well if it's the 'body' that does 'afflict' then it's physical proximity that is important and not zodiacal longitude. Lilly also says nothing about sign placement when he talks about Under the beams, the condition immediately preceding and then succeeding Combustion. Lilly lists a debility score of -4 for Under the beams, and -5 for Combustion, so there's not a massive benefit from only being 'Under the beams'.

Well, I must confess I disagreed with her as based on my study. When researching some common astrological definition (as to make a 'personal glossary') I researched the term 'Combust' in the books and sites I could find and I cannot recall they mentioning that Mercury needed to be in the same sign as the Sun. That would certainly reduce the amount of charts with Combust Mercury.

Unfortunately, I never read anything by Lilly, so I didn't know his point of view. If Cor Serpentis was using Lilly's theory, then she was right, of course. In this case I apologize!

Marina is so right to draw our attention to Venus and it's manifestation in his chart - Hindsight says that Hitler was pure evil, so how could he have gained power? Surely tThe Germans too must have been evil or unable to see clearly his true nature? Much of the post war hubris of the West was 'it couldn't happen here'. However Hitler does have a personable side, Hitler played on the German sense of injustice in the post war settlement and sadly, Germany is not the only country to have ceded power to someone who turns out to be 'evil' in hindsight - Cromwell in England, and Robespierre in France spring to mind. They did not however have the means of mass destruction that Hitler had at his disposal. She is also right about Hitler's career - he was a failure at everything he tried - you can't be a bigger failure than to destroy utterly your own country and hand it over to it's enemies.

Well, we know from biography that Hitler was rather indolent, specially in his youth. You can say he lacked some choleric traits in his life (lol!). He wasn't a failure because the world is a dark and unfair place - he was because many times he did not dedicate himself as much as he should have in the right moments. Although he'd become more 'dedicated' in his final career (politician), still was a lot was pretty much in the hands of other people. When they began to lose the was, it was not Hitler who had failed Germany - it was Germany who had failed him, in his vision. He was moved by passion much more than by any responsibility with what he did.

He could have been an architect, but he did not have the academic credentials to enter the Architecture school. That's because during all his childhood he had problems to follow discipline at school (a very strict one) - one of the reasons behind his conflicts with his father. Instead of trying harder, he challenged the strict discipline of his father and school by becoming indolent, dreaming and getting bad grades.

It's interesting to see that in his chart that Saturn squares Venus. I know this aspect has many meanings, but I think this could represent this particular trait too. He saw authority over him as 'injustice', and he projected this feeling on his whole nation in a time they were ready to accept it. Venus is stronger than Saturn in this chart, because although Saturn is in the 10th house, it's in Leo which put it in a detrimental position.

Some things that struck me - Hitler is Melancholic - quite strongly so. He also has a Sanguine side that is significant and perhaps explains why he managed to work so well with others. Hitler's significator of Manners is Jupiter (they're being no planet in the Ascendant we look to planets which are with the Moon or Mercury). Jupiter brings an ability to get on well with others, However Jupiter is in Fall and Lilly says it signifies -

'lovers of themselves....a scornful disdainful mind, proud, superstitious, fearful, dissembling, a kind of vain candour, negligent, prodigal'.

That certainly seems to fit with what we know of Hitler, he was superstitious, he did see and fear conspiracies, and he was scornful and disdainful of others.

That's a very interesting analysis! I completely forgot to check his temperament first - even if I don't really use Traditional Astrology, I think it's a very interesting factor to take into account!

I'd like to add that I know Uranus (Minderwiz don't kill me!!! ) is a 'social planet', but since it's conjunct with the ASC, I wonder if it becomes a bit more personalized. I would say Hitler lived in a moment of big changes, and he over-identified himself with these changes. He believed himself the 'bringer of revolution', and yet (as his own nature was a 'fixed'), he could not handle these changes. As many other revolutionaries he didn't have the responsibility and strength to see the revolution through.

Uranus is also in the 12th house, which is not a very good place to be. I think this is connected to "humanitarian ideals gone wrong". I am sure Hitler didn't wake up one morning and decided 'today I'll destroy Germany' - he saw himself as a savior. And yet he destroyed his country.

Uranus in the 12th House can also symbolize paranoia.

Now Dave would like to know how we counsel Hitler. The problem here is that the national and international context heightened his susceptibility to pursue the career path he took. How do we dispel those perceptions? Counselling only works if the subject wishes to be counselled. Hitler might have met a 'Dave type' person in the trenches, then perhaps he might have learnt by example but by 1923 the die was cast. Of course, if Dave or I had been in Landsberg prison, perhaps Hitler might have taken up Astrology instead of writing Mein Kampf. Do such meetings nudge us from one path onto another?

Hum... I think we'd have to decide what would Adolf like to know. I think he might have come to an Astrologer when he found out he could not become an architect (around 1905) or when his mother died, in 1907. He was very close to his mother, and (according to some biographers) she was a bit responsible for 'spoiling' him and making him dislike authority (she was a soft contrast to his father strict authority). So this could be a moment in which he'd come to Dave for a reading - he was 18 and pretty much lost in life.

By the time he was in prison and writing Main Kampf, many tendencies has already begun to show and crystallize, so it may have been a bit late to counsel him. But if he met Dave in prison... that would make such a COOL movie, lol! "When Hitler was an Astrologer."

I honestly don't think he was born the Antichrist. Perhaps with the right kind of counseling when he was young things would have been different...

 

[Minderwiz]

Well, I must confess I disagreed with her as based on my study. When researching some common astrological definition (as to make a 'personal glossary') I researched the term 'Combust' in the books and sites I could find and I cannot recall they mentioning that Mercury needed to be in the same sign as the Sun. That would certainly reduce the amount of charts with Combust Mercury.

Unfortunately, I never read anything by Lilly, so I didn't know his point of view. If Cor Serpentis was using Lilly's theory, then she was right, of course. In this case I apologize!

Absolutely no need to apologise - I happen to agree with you that combustion is simply being within 8.5 degrees of the Sun and the signs of the planet and Sun are immaterial (though obviously either the same or adjacent signs). I'm not even sure that Lilly was ruling out the existence of an 'out of sign' conjunction as involving combustion, however it clearly reads as such.

It's interesting to see that in his chart that Saturn squares Venus. I know this aspect has many meanings, but I think this could represent this particular trait too. He saw authority over him as 'injustice', and he projected this feeling on his whole nation in a time they were ready to accept it. Venus is stronger than Saturn in this chart, because although Saturn is in the 10th house, it's in Leo which put it in a detrimental position.

Yes that's an excellent point - don't forget that the same planetary complex can mean different things at the same time or at different times (obviously within the symbology of the planets and their rulerships), so Saturn square Venus/Mercury can have that meaning in Hitler's life.

Uranus is also in the 12th house, which is not a very good place to be. I think this is connected to "humanitarian ideals gone wrong". I am sure Hitler didn't wake up one morning and decided 'today I'll destroy Germany' - he saw himself as a savior. And yet he destroyed his country.

Uranus in the 12th House can also symbolize paranoia.

I promise not to kill you I think Uranus' association with the 'social' is because Aquarius is a humane (and therefore 'social') sign. Certainly Modern Astrology associates Uranus with revolution and certainly Hitler intended to be revolutionary and indeed the Munich Putsch was an attempt at a revolutionary takeover. He might have been melancholic, but his Saturn is weak (and therefore erratic) and all his other planets are weak (bar Venus) so he was not good at the Melancholic's strength - making plans and left that to others, he just set the strategic goals. Uranus is also associated with the eccentric and Hitler was seen as a semi comic eccentric until it was perhaps too late.

Hum... I think we'd have to decide what would Adolf like to know. I think he might have come to an Astrologer when he found out he could not become an architect (around 1905) or when his mother died, in 1907. He was very close to his mother, and (according to some biographers) she was a bit responsible for 'spoiling' him and making him dislike authority (she was a soft contrast to his father strict authority). So this could be a moment in which he'd come to Dave for a reading - he was 18 and pretty much lost in life.


I honestly don't think he was born the Antichrist. Perhaps with the right kind of counseling when he was young things would have been different...

I agree with you, especially your last statement, The problem is that even if he had consulted an Astrologer at age 18 and taken advice and acted on it, the first world war intervened. He certainly would have joined the Army, and those 4 years of War plus the first years of the new Republic, would probably still have produced the same result. The situation in Germany between 1919 and 1921 was one with a real threat of revolution - though the fear was a Bolshevik uprising. We need to remember that Hitler was not alone - thousands more had similar feelings and desires relating to getting Germany back on her feet and to resist the post war settlement. The issue becomes, could Hitler have been rescued and helped to redirect his energies into a positive and constructive approach, which is why I focussed on the immediate post war situation. It would be nice to think so.

 

[Minderwiz]

Minderwiz, its interesting that you mention 1923, a significant year for Hitler. I've done a precession-corrected Solar Return for 1923 and find interesting patterns. The interpretations I give are taken from my book.

April 22, 1923. MC 24:20 Aries (a degree or so from his natal Desc.), Asc. 10:39 Leo (6 degrees or so from his natal MC). The UT of the chart is 10h41m56s should anyone want to recreate it for themselves. I kept the natal location out of convenience (read as being lazy).

** MC/s @ Des/n: Life will take a new turn this year which you will have to adapt to. Plans and projects will either have to moved forward or will be delayed.

** Asc/s @ MC/n: Image and respect are overly important right now. If denied, actions will be take (reflecting any angular planets). Sun, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, Uranus were all angular. We can read these symbols of his actions --- storming the political meeting of a poiitical adversary, waving a gun, ranting at the crowd, announcing a takeover, throwing out the adversary's supporters, later marching on government institutions, insisting that he would lead everyone to a new Germany. We just don't know "when" these actions will take place in that year using the Solar Return chart.

Progressing the angles of that S/R to Nov. 8, 1923 we find the following data:
Nov. 8, 1923. MC @ 17:21 Cancer, Asc. @ 13:41 Libra. UT is 03h20m00s at the natal birth locations.

** MC is close to the natal Node: Associations will support ones goals.

** Asc. conjoins transiting Mars: One acts with great passion and energy. Since natal Mars is in the natal 7th house and daily chart's 8th house, we might see this as partners are involved but their involvement will be unequal (8th house). Transiting Mars in the daily charts 1st house (personal strong actions) will take dominence over natal Mars in the 7th or 8th. Hitler will insist o this being his party.

No matter which methods or charts we use, Astrology works well in painting a picture of ourselves and the events we participate in. That is the enticing mystery for us astrologers as well as the difficult part of explaining it to non-astrologers. Dave

It's interesting to note, as you do some of the Astrological changes coming into play. I've not done a SR chart for 1923, so I found your take quite informative. What I did do very briefly is have a look at some of the other indicators.

At the specific level of 1923 Hitler had two Primary Directions - The first comes on 19th March, just 3 days before the Precession Corrected Return. The trine of Jupiter came to his MC. So this is clearly related to career, and social standing. If Jupiter were natally strong, this would suggest some career advancement - but Jupiter is actually in Fall. So we might conclude that this direction might lead to advancement in career but not easily, possibly involving the law and possibly at some cost. Although the Munich Putsch was a fiasco, Hitler actually did benefit from it - he became noticed, and the trial gave him publicity. The sentence was reduced and he came out of it with a higher public profile.

The second actually comes on 1 November, a week before the Putsch. This brought Venus to the Descendant. i.e. in opposition to the Ascendant. Venus is the natal Ascendant Ruler, so what is normally interpreted as 'trouble with women or overindulgence in Venereal pursuits, now has the possible meaning of acting against his own interests, but also acting in the interests of others and for others.

On the same day he had the profected Sun sextile Venus. The Sun rules his MC, and naturally is a significator of social standing. Venus is his Ascendant ruler, but also Lords 8 and 12, so this is not necessarily favourable for career.

Remember that natally Venus is with Mars and squared by Saturn, so it's not surprising that violence and miitary style action were involved. 1923 could have been the end of his political life - but it wasn't. Again the actions of others are crucial.

At a more general level, Hitler's time lord by Firdaria changed to the Moon, in April 1920, the month after he left the Army and during this lunar period he was the incipient revolutionary, a period in which he achieved public prominence, in which his political instincts governed his actions and this lasted through till April 1929. The Muich Putsch came during the Jupiter sub period which was the high water mark of this firdaria. Hitler's popularity waned for the rest of the period and the votes of the National Socialists fell. So again perhaps there might have been opportunities during the later years of the decade for Hitler to rethink and regroup in a more constructive way. Hitler's new life period starting in 1929 coincided with the economic collapse and his own rise to power - Saturn was his Ascendant Almuten.