"Thank you" IS NOT FEEDBACK

[poppiesrossi]

I meant like a big sticky with bold.. Please leave feedback for those who respond to your posts...

not everyone takes the time to read the rules or if there are many.. might glance over them and just go by what everyone does..

as it stands what I noticed in the week I have been here.. many threads get maybe one or two response.. and no feedback is given from the OP although some do take the time to respond to you.. so for someone who has not been here awhile.. it might seem like the *standard* thing to do.

 

[SA12]

Most of the regular AT posters/subscribers are super awesome about supplying feedback -- because the understanding is that this is a learning forum, and there's not going to be much in the way of learning unless a dialogue about the cards exists. I am happy to say that because of this dialogue and the general helpfulness of those who are here to learn/teach/share, I am getting more out of tarot than ever before and really enjoying the community here!

Unfortunately, it is the posters who casually show up here and expect a dissection of their affair/relationship/etc who are not usually here to learn and tend to ignore feedback etiquette, among other things....It sucks to get burned for giving your time -- I'm with you, Prudence! -- but at least the "offending posters" don't seem to last long here.

 

[Padma]

I meant like a big sticky with bold.. Please leave feedback for those who respond to your posts...

not everyone takes the time to read the rules or if there are many.. might glance over them and just go by what everyone does..

as it stands what I noticed in the week I have been here.. many threads get maybe one or two response.. and no feedback is given from the OP although some do take the time to respond to you.. so for someone who has not been here awhile.. it might seem like the *standard* thing to do.

Here are the rules, as posted in the stickies: (Ps poppiesrossi, I am *not* targeting *you!* I am just copying/posting what is already there in the sticky.)

Posting Rules for Your Readings

Overview

Your Readings is designed to be a learning forum to help members progress with their reading skills. For those who post readings, it will give other viewpoints on their cards and for those responding, it is a learning experience gained through feedback and interaction.

This forum is for full readings only, even if a single card. If you have a question on the general meanings of a card or card combination, or, on the general meanings of cards that recur over several readings, please use Using Tarot Cards.

For those members posting readings:

Give your preamble, as short or long as you wish, but orient the other posters to the goal of the reading.
Post the reading itself, listing:

the deck used
the positional meanings (if any)
the cards drawn including standard equivalents if using a deck that uses unusual Major or suit names
your interpretations which must include all cards, possibly in combination
you may add any overlays such as Elemental Dignities, numerology and whatever you used yourself to interpret

Example:

I have a difficult situation with a friend, and am not sure where to go from here to patch things up.

Deck used: Sacred Circle

How I feel now: Page of Cups (rev)
How my friend is feeling: 3 of cups (rev)
What possible bridge there is between us: Wheel of Fortune

My take: I feel very upset and rather helpless. I am crying a lot and cannot seem to get a grip on things. My friend is gossiping and socializing with mutual friends and seems to not care. An opportunity may come up (or I should try and arrange one?) to turn things around.

I thought that the two Water cards overwhelmed the Fire Major and lessen our chances of reconciling.

Anyone else have some thoughts on this?

Feedback:

“Thanks” or “That was helpful” is NOT feedback. Detail is required.
you must give a response to every person who helps you with the cards, and generally within a day or two (there can be exceptions if a situation is unfolding)
get involved in the process, besides helping you with the situation this process will increase your own reading skills
if the interpretation of cards wasn't clear – ask for an explanation
if you do not agree, explain why courteously
has the interpretation clarified the situation for you? If so, how?

For those members responding:

as this is a learning as well as helping forum, you must post an interpretation of the card(s). Posts only commenting on the situation will be removed.
leave the judgmental aside, their life is not your life and you may not possibly share values. If you find the situation is outside of your values, do not post to the thread.
remember that tone doesn’t often translate well in the written word. Humour may be interpreted as sarcasm, rudeness or even maliciousness

Other rules about posting here:

only one reading per thread
readings must be your own; not from a computer generated readings website and not a reading done for you by another reader (unless they are members here and with their express permission)
only readings using tarot decks are posted here. If you wish use an oracle deck, post in Oracle Readings. If you wish to use a mixture of tarot and oracles, use Experimental techniques. Non-card-based systems (Runes for example) go into Divination.

The moderators of this forum are Sulis and Alta. Please contact them if you have questions or concerns.

You feel that something dubious has been posted? Please use the Post Report button, we will be alerted immediately.

Sulis and Alta
co-Moderators, Your Readings

 

[Grizabella]

oh and...Prudence...And Alta...and Sulis...Now that we are on the subject of feedback...I just remembered this one, which happened to me a few days ago. (Me being - oh - A#2.)

Q: I read this in the cards! It disagrees with me, but I think this! Can you make my cards agree with me?

A: no, I think this, and it doesn't agree.

A#2: no, I don't agree, I think this.

A#3: I don't agree. You can't make A mean B.

A#4: yes, I think you are right! It should be the way you want it to mean! even if it doesn't mean that! I still think I agree with you!

Q: (ignoring A#1, A#2, and A#3) thanks for your feedback, A#4! Wow! You are so right! That is *exactly* what I thought! So I must be right! And the cards are wrong! Better yet, we have twisted the meanings until someone said they meant what I wanted them to mean! Wow! A#4, you are awesome! Thanks for agreeing with what I wanted to hear!

Man, I hate that. just sayin'.

Huh?? You lost me here. But I've got dumb spots so maybe it's just me.

I just wanted to distinguish here that on AT we do need to give feedback. And yes, it's in the rules. But to those who are learning and then planning to read for others outside of AT, you won't routinely expect feedback from your sitters. Usually all the sitter wants to know is the answer to their questions and they might say nothing at all at the end. That's just how it works "out there" in the real world. Feedback is given here because it's a learning forum.

As to it not being in the rules, I just read the rules the other day and it's been put in there for sure. I don't think we used to have the rule, but recently someone did some updating and added it, I think. I'm in agreement with it. It's the least a person can do in response to what's actually a free reading, in my opinion. It's a let-down when you put in your time to try to help with an exchange and then you just get "thanks, good reading, I appreciate" it or even less.

 

[prudence]

I think most of us have had the same issues when we first began posting in this forum, not fully understanding the rules, or missing a few posts in our own threads that need feedback etc, that stuff isn't really the problem. It gets frustrating when it is a running pattern with members who frequently and continually post readings in the YR forum asking for help when they have countless older threads with interps that have not been given feedback.

 

[Padma]

Huh?? You lost me here. But I've got dumb spots so maybe it's just me.

what I meant is: Someone who posts in Your Readings and is just looking for someone to agree with their assesment of the cards, or what they want to believe is true. They want the answer THEY want, and don't really care if the Tarot agrees. So they ignore the feedback of everyone until someone agrees with what they wanted to hear, or with what they wanted the cards to mean. Or, they will just say "oh that is an interesting answer, thanks" until one person agrees that some positive cards CAN be the negative answer they really WANTED! ;p And then they go crazy with the feedback! lol!

Cause all they REALLY wanted...was for someone to agree with what they personally wanted to hear. And not to agree with the cards, obvious though they may be.

Oh and Griz, generally speaking, I ain't the fastest bunny in the drawer...lol!

 

[poppiesrossi]

Here are the rules, as posted in the stickies: (Ps poppiesrossi, I am *not* targeting *you!* I am just copying/posting what is already there in the sticky.)

No worries

Although I am new to this forum.. I have been a forum participant on many other boards for years.. what I know is that most people gloss over the rules.. they skim them.. and forget them entirely.. I would even dare say that they don't read them...

see how long those rules were... it's really easy to forget or miss a point... and also what the rules are and how the posters actually work the threads are two totally different things. Most just jump in and do what others do... learn by others.. so if you do have say for instance where most are not leaving a feedback then new people probably won't because that person thinks it's the norm..

also how you come across to others can be helpful.. there's saying.. hey guys feedback is appreciated than.. you know it's really rude if you don't leave a feedback.. because most probably don't realize that it's what is expected. I don't think most people here have intentions of being rude.. probably just ignorant of the rules or the etiquette. That's what I am trying to say.

 

[Chiriku]

No worries I don't think most people here have intentions of being rude.. probably just ignorant of the rules or the etiquette. That's what I am trying to say.

Your perspective as a newbie to this forum is valuable. I disagree with the above quote, however. Many people here and in the sister sub-forum, Reading Exchanges, know quite well about the rules because they haunt these two sub-forums trying to squeeze out as many free readings (often on the same subject/question, over and over) as they hope they can get away with.

"Free" means they didn't expend any effort to get the reading they're after, and here in Your Readings, that effort is adequate, well-thought-out feedback.

Despite the best efforts of the conscientious moderators here (and yes, they often DO call out people who willfully try to get away with leaving inadequate feedback), users and abusers remain. It's human nature to try to get something for nothing; that's why we need moderators and conscientious posters like the people in this thread to try to enforce better behavior. Sometimes it's an uphill battle.

 

[Padma]

I think most of us have had the same issues when we first began posting in this forum, not fully understanding the rules, or missing a few posts in our own threads that need feedback etc, that stuff isn't really the problem. It gets frustrating when it is a running pattern with members who frequently and continually post readings in the YR forum asking for help when they have countless older threads with interps that have not been given feedback.

oh yes - I see what you mean. Posting thick and fast, and often, and not responding to those who take the time to answer. Right...that bears repeating, here.

Nonetheless, it is a very frustrating forum, that "your readings" column. I keep wanting to help, posting once or twice, and then withdrawing out of frustration...because there is no respect for those who try to help, it seems to me. Not just to me personally, but to anyone who tries to help out.

@poppiesrossi, yes, i agree, the important parts should be highlighted inthe sticky...it IS long, isn't it?

 

[Chiriku]

P.S. I commend those of you who are frequent contributors to this forum. Your efforts help many people even if some of those people don't acknowledge your expenditure of time, effort and thought. Many other AT regulars avoid this forum and Reading Exchanges because of the aforementioned problems (again, despite the best efforts of the moderators who also give of their time and effort), but you people stick it out--more power to you!