is it possible to do a reading for a misogynist?

[Sakabu]

If it's being broadcast out loud one way then it might as well be a window.I think the domain of 'private' that is being portrayed here is being defined a little too broadly. His personality is out there and open for the world to see. All a person is trying to do is figure out why appearances are the way that they are. No different than having a friend who acts a certain way and you feel the need to figure out why. This person is a public figure, therefore a relationship with the public... does that warrant it alone? No. I just don't see how it's unethical.

The cards will hint towards arenas of thought that the reader's intuition can use to fill in the blanks. Probably up to enough to see a connection, answer the question and create some understanding. I don't see it the same as granting yourself access to the person's private memory library. (If that were the case, we'd all naturally be more numb, my belief)

Maybe the reader will feel something to the extent of maybe a generic like "his mother was harmful to him as a child/was oppressive so that is why he hates women". Ok... I'm not sure the generic fact itself is something a person would actively feel inclined to hide, built in block or not. Maybe more the feelings attached to it, the vulnerability, the oppression and the depth of it. Put it this way, a person still has to use their brain to figure out why such fact is 'bad', then it's not that revealing. It's far from that person obtaining the bible from which how that person thinks or operates...

If the anger is being presented in someone's personality, it's no longer private domain. They may even use the same facts as such reasons for their behavior. He is portraying such events in his face. It's only natural one's behavior will attract people who attempt to understand it. That person would already, consciously or subconsciously, have become accustomed to that fact in their presentation. Some 'sensitives' can pick that 'underlying' connection up without really even blinking... I don't think it's easy to go through people's memories/feelings just willy nilly... not with intuition anyway. A lot of blocks exist within us, self-doubt even created with the reason to protect both sides from a case of way too much information. But we almost always know just a little bit more than we feel that we know.

Personally I think if there were no boundaries, people would be having a lot more experiences. It would be felt in advance on almost the same level as generic thought, things a lot of us pick up on without really realizing it.

Just giving some of my thoughts. (har har)

Edit: Edited for some clarity.

 

[vee]

To me it's not an ethical issue, really, it's just...again...why?

What do you hope to gain from it? Well, first off, there is a Huge difference between a public persona and a person's actual personality. I mean, Limberger (sorry can't stop laughing at this) as a public figure is a cultural phenomenon, not a person. I mean, there are certainly True Believers but for the most part, these people are very shrewd marketers. It's all about the benjamins baby. They find the soft spots and they they jam their fingers into them, hoping to extract money. More interesting questions might be about his enduring popularity and what about the messages he has are appealing to people. All things that I think might be better answered with some cultural analysis rather than a tarot reading.

But *shrug* do as thou wilt, or whatevs.

 

[Aset]

Interesting thread... I wouldn't consider it snooping, unless, like I think someone else may have already mentioned, it were being broadcast. How is it any different than having your own uninformed opinion of why he is the way he is, which is probably going to be more negative than anything the cards could say? And to play devil's advocate as a potential *why* beyond sheer curiosity... well I find that typically when you know what makes a person tick, why they are the way they are, it is hard to harbor negative feelings towards them. Limberger can incite a lot of really ugly feelings. It's his intent, so no biggie for him. But for the people who feel the disdain, it can have a greater effect. I know I don't like "hating" people. And say you are a Buddhist, or some other such person who believes in karma and/or that pureness of heart is of the utmost importance. I remember reading about a Buddhist practice (I believe from long ago, but perhaps still in existence in maybe Theravada Buddhism) where the practitioner would contemplate the idea that each being in existence was at one time one's mother (due to infinite reincarnations), with the goal being the cultivation of compassion for each person - in some lifetime, that person would have sacrificed a great deal for you, and so it is easier to forgive transgressions in this lifetime. Anyway, I might be getting off track here, and maybe I'm being a little hippy dippy naive at the moment, but I don't think such a query is necessarily a sinister thing. It's a path to deeper understanding at best and voyeurism at worst, but in any case I don't think it's any skin off of Limberger's back, so why not?

 

[olivia1]

been kicking around an idea to read the cards for Limburger...but is it even possible with all his negativity towards women?
would have to burn a lot of sage or something

and what particular spread would you personally use?

i have experience reading for men who are misogynists and from my experience, it is definitely possible to read a misogynist. i never had to burn sage or do anything special. i just asked the question, shuffled, and dealt the cards. of course, the men I read for weren't on rush L's level. he is a different case entirely from the sounds of things....

if i were to actually take an interest in read for him, i'd probably use the celtic cross since that is my favorite spread..but of course the spread that I decide to use would depend on the question.

 

[Shade]

Exactly - just curiosity And honestly - I'm sorry, but it is none of your business.

But to me the next logical question, Gregory is why is it any of your business who the OP reads for/about?

 

[Debra]

I remember when he first got out of rehab for his drug addiction. He broadcast a confessional, declaring himself a new man, with a deep understanding of his own motives and character. He would never be the same.
That didn't last long. He brings out the worst in people, and they embrace it joyously.

I'd like to know what if anything can be done to fix him. Or stop him. Or reduce his influence.

 

[Chiriku]

And to play devil's advocate as a potential *why* beyond sheer curiosity... well I find that typically when you know what makes a person tick, why they are the way they are, it is hard to harbor negative feelings towards them. Limberger can incite a lot of really ugly feelings. It's his intent, so no biggie for him. But for the people who feel the disdain, it can have a greater effect. I know I don't like "hating" people.

And say you are a Buddhist, or some other such person who believes in karma and/or that pureness of heart is of the utmost importance. I remember reading about a Buddhist practice (I believe from long ago, but perhaps still in existence in maybe Theravada Buddhism) where the practitioner would contemplate the idea that each being in existence was at one time one's mother (due to infinite reincarnations), with the goal being the cultivation of compassion for each person - in some lifetime, that person would have sacrificed a great deal for you, and so it is easier to forgive transgressions in this lifetime.

This is a very interesting perspective. It adds useful food for thought to the analysis. Thanks for offering it.

And yes, I do agree that knowing why a person continually does (undue) harm to others is something that can go a long way toward lessening the anxiety or resentment of the people he or she has harmed. I experienced that on a personal level myself recently, and for the first time in my life used a tarot reading to do just that. I felt surprisingly better for it. Now I realize it shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[gregory]

But to me the next logical question, Gregory is why is it any of your business who the OP reads for/about?

Fair, enough ! To each their own ethics, as has been said here MANY times.

I remember when he first got out of rehab for his drug addiction. He broadcast a confessional, declaring himself a new man, with a deep understanding of his own motives and character. He would never be the same.
That didn't last long. He brings out the worst in people, and they embrace it joyously.

I'd like to know what if anything can be done to fix him. Or stop him. Or reduce his influence.

That yes - which I said way up the thread - that I would read about.. But I doubt if it's possible, somehow.

This is a very interesting perspective. It adds useful food for thought to the analysis. Thanks for offering it.

And yes, I do agree that knowing why a person continually does (undue) harm to others is something that can go a long way toward lessening the anxiety or resentment of the people he or she has harmed. I experienced that on a personal level myself recently, and for the first time in my life used a tarot reading to do just that. I felt surprisingly better for it. Now I realize it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Do we want to feel better about him ? That sounds rather like making it a bit more OK, feeling a bit more OK about what he does. Over ONE incident that needs letting go of - I can see the value of finding a way to do that. But I don't think we (generic) need to feel better about this guy; we need to minimise his influence.

Shame to call him Limburger - that is one excellent cheese.

ETA

Why isn't it? Remember, we have an entire science of human behavior (psychology) that is designed to do just that--see what causes various types of people to be who they are. Just to take one example, thanks to psychology, we're learning more and more these days about antisocial personalities (psychopaths): up to 15% smaller prefrontal cortex, lower autonomic reactivity.

But psychologists work with the actual people they are trying to find out about. Generally with their cooperation. And they can observe reactions and check facts. Doing this with tarot, by someone who doesn't even know the guy isn't likely to be entirely reliable, to say the least.

Personally, I wouldn't turn to the Tarot to answer questions about what makes someone the way that they are, but wanting to find the answers is a valid pursuit.

By someone who is working with Limbaugh himself, not effectively speculating with cards, yes.

I disagree with this.

He's a public figure, and he chose that role.

Part of being in the spotlight is that people will speculate on what makes him tick. Especially in his case because he's made career out of saying controversial things. And I don't think tarot is much different from other types of speculation.

People speculate, sure. But if tarot is on a level with simple speculation - how much value doe a reading actually have ?

As an aside - people who choose to be in the public eye don't choose or deserve to have EVERY aspect of their life under a microscope.

 

[Debra]

Well poop.

Someone eager to speculate and spread rumors about other people's sex lives can't expect his own "private" life to be immune from curious speculation.

And I don't think we're obliged to respect his privacy out of propriety.

For example, the hilarious and almost certainly true suggestion that he is clueless about birth control pills and believes they're a "use when you wanna do it" drug like Viagra. I suspect that (a) he's ignorant and (b) relies on the blue pill to get it up.

Ok. I wouldn't say that if he hadn't called the college student a slut and prostitute. See how that works.

Using tarot to learn about people is at least theoretically more responsible than just pulling it out your butt, which is his approach.

 

[gregory]

Speculating about whether he knows how the pill works and whether he is actually terminally thick aren't really in the same class as trying to examine his past life, marriages, childhood and the like. Leaving aside whether it is OK doing that about HIM, other people are involved there - his ex-wives, his family.

And one thing that strikes me after a "lively" (=vitriolic !) discussion I got into on another forum - let us not descend to the level of the lowest of the low, saying everything you do is OK if they did it first, or bringing tarot down to butt level

Cue the UK phone hacking scandal. Al the people whose phones were hacked are in public life in one way or another. Does that make their private lives fair game - should News International be able to get off the hook on those grounds ? Not to mention that old hacking incident where Prince Charles is on record as saying something rather - odd - to Camilla. Now he has a record of being a TOTAL PIA in many very public areas (for those who are unaware - his "spider scrawls" to try and influence (say, force...) civil servants to do what he wants; his interference with the planning process for buildings which has stymied some excellent buildings and substituted some that look the way he likes and are actually somewhat unfit for purpose.) Is it OK to look into his PRIVATE life ? No, I don't think so. (Even though that phone call totally vindicated everything I always thought about him, and still makes me laugh, and I am ashamed of that - I kind of wish I had never heard about it.)

*am well known as party pooper and everyone's mileage can and will vary *