shaveling
dminoz,
The decks I have look like the one on your link. In fact, that Aeclectic page shows the numbers I'm talking about. You can see them at the base and to the right of the Ace of Cups and the Two of Coins, and centered at the bottom of the Nine of Swords.
My cards and boxes don't have a copyright date on them, or anything that says "second edition." The barcode on the bottom of the regular deck has an 8 outside the barcode, then: 420707 089085. The mini has a sticker on the side with an ISBN number: 3927808865.
Sorry I don't have any more helpful information than that.
By the way, does your Swiss IJJ have the little numbers at the bottoms? I have one from my college days in the seventies that doesn't. But a secondhand deck I got on ebay last year does have them. Took me entirely by surprise, it did.
joannski3,
I forgot to say that I don't actually use reversals now, mostly because of the widespread advice to put that off until I'm used to working with the cards upright. But I think I prefer having the option of using them. And it looks to me like reversals were being read back when the Marseille and the old Italian cards were all that were available. Etteilla uses them, and Papus says that one advantage of his system of suit + number is that the reader doesn't have to remember the reversed meanings. So I expect that people using traditional decks marked the cards that didn't have an built-in orientation. But I'm just guessing about that.
The Burdel decks (there are two from Lo Scarabeo: their Tarots of Marseille in the red box, and the new Universal Tarot of Marsille) don't have the problem with the coins. Burdel decorated the center of his coins with fleurs de lys, which have a definite up and down. But as I mentioned before, the Universal seems to have the extra little numbers anyway.
The decks I have look like the one on your link. In fact, that Aeclectic page shows the numbers I'm talking about. You can see them at the base and to the right of the Ace of Cups and the Two of Coins, and centered at the bottom of the Nine of Swords.
My cards and boxes don't have a copyright date on them, or anything that says "second edition." The barcode on the bottom of the regular deck has an 8 outside the barcode, then: 420707 089085. The mini has a sticker on the side with an ISBN number: 3927808865.
Sorry I don't have any more helpful information than that.
By the way, does your Swiss IJJ have the little numbers at the bottoms? I have one from my college days in the seventies that doesn't. But a secondhand deck I got on ebay last year does have them. Took me entirely by surprise, it did.
joannski3,
I forgot to say that I don't actually use reversals now, mostly because of the widespread advice to put that off until I'm used to working with the cards upright. But I think I prefer having the option of using them. And it looks to me like reversals were being read back when the Marseille and the old Italian cards were all that were available. Etteilla uses them, and Papus says that one advantage of his system of suit + number is that the reader doesn't have to remember the reversed meanings. So I expect that people using traditional decks marked the cards that didn't have an built-in orientation. But I'm just guessing about that.
The Burdel decks (there are two from Lo Scarabeo: their Tarots of Marseille in the red box, and the new Universal Tarot of Marsille) don't have the problem with the coins. Burdel decorated the center of his coins with fleurs de lys, which have a definite up and down. But as I mentioned before, the Universal seems to have the extra little numbers anyway.
The impression I have that there is a widespread tendency in Europe, where the Marseille tradition has been kept up, to do majors-only readings. And the questions we're talking about only arise with the pip cards. I'm not saying to go to trumps-only readings. But maybe there isn't an established tradition among Marseille readers about what to do about pips and reversals.
