Is it possible to be misled by tarot cards

[Nikita_]

Nikita, I've actually had an experience very similar to yours regarding the reputable professional reader. Actually, 2 readers. Both gave me very positive, happy outcomes to 2 different situations. The first one is a tarot reader and also clairaudient, clairsentient, and clairvoyant. She told me she saw me getting back together with a guy who had just broken my heart. She encouraged me to just be patient and let him sort things out and he would be back in the next 3 months or so. Well, it's been 2 1/2 years. I followed up several times, and each time she said the same thing: "the cards are showing that he'll be back. Just be patient, it's going to work out!" I'm no longer holding my breath at this point. She's done many other readings for me and has been right on pretty much every other time, so I'm not sure how this one particular situation could be so off.
The other reader I spoke with recently is actually internationally known. She has spirit guides and uses tarot to jump start her intuition and her connection to my energy. She also gave me a very positive, happy outcome to a situation that has only gotten worse since I spoke to her. Granted it's only been 4 months since that reading so there's still time for things to turn around, but I find it very hard to believe her predicted outcome after the way things have played out thus far. I even followed up with her and asked her why this has happened. I asked if perhaps her guides were only telling her what they thought I wanted to hear. She said, "They don't just tell what people want to hear, they tell what is!" (Apparently her partner is also a psychic medium and he claims he saw the same outcome she did, so there's 2 people giving me what very well may turn out to be false hope.) I'm inclined to be patient and see what transpires over the next few months but I'm not very optimistic. I have a feeling I'll be replying yet again with the news that her reading was wrong. You said your claimed that sometimes an evil spirit gets in there and purposely gives a false reading. I call bulls*** on that. Sounds like a cop-out to me. I know how you feel: how can these so-called benevolent guides give such inaccurate information? Was there something we were supposed to do on our end to change the outcome? Because that would've been nice to know, ya know??

To answer your question more clearly : years ago I broke up with a guy over some differences we were not able to settle. I told him that there were things I wasnt prepared to compromise on, so it was up to him. A good tarot reader I knew at the time told me that he would think it over, then get back to me and ask me to give it another try. He never did, but I know for sure that he did indeed think about asking me, and really did want to try again (he told me himself, later on ) but then never got to do it, he must have decided it wouldnt lead anywhere. To me, that had been a clear case of cards reading his intentions of that time, no more and no less. I know its not much of a consolation, but I do think that that's the way it works.

 

[Michael Sternbach]

Great. Any idea how many millions of years it will take ? Or at least, can you tell us in which parallel univers we shall meet to discuss it again when our brains are developed/evolved enough to be able to do that ?

Probably you should read the books that my grandfather (an ETH professor in philosophy and mathematics) wrote about this theme. But as it might take you many millions of years to get through the dry and complex texts written in a foreign language, I will distil their quintessence out of them for you. In a nutshell:

The way is the goal! The grey matter between your ears is learning by doing, Witchey! How do you think a child makes neurological progress?

When more and more people learn to use their brain in a new way (or learn to consciously access certain apparently unused areas thereof), this will spread out exponentially via the collective unconscious connecting all of humanity. Guess what happens then?

But, to go back to granddaddy, it's quite possible that the ultimate answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything will *never* be found. Only relative answers can be found, valid in a certain context for the time being, and that's all you could comprehend anyway at any given time. Yet there is immense value to every step we master! Although sooner or later, we must continue our journey to a yet higher level of understanding, on our soul's eternal path to infinite knowledge.

Now I must admit that granddaddy didn't use such colourful esoteric terms (I guess he would have got kicked out of the university), rather, he presented his Open Philosophy in academically perfectly acceptable terminology, hoping to reach mathematicians and natural scientists. Did they get his message?

Do they realize how naïve it is to claim we are one step from a TOE (Theory of Everything) when we haven't got a clue what well over 90% of the Universe consists of? Whenever science thought it was only lacking a few more answers, actually finding them opened up a Universe of new questions, and new exploration.

Oh, and let me tell you what it will open up to this time: To a Universe in which Spirit will be acknowledged not as a function of highly organized matter but as a force in its own right.

Remember, we are at the Golden Dawn of a New Aeon (call it the age of Aquarius or of Horus, I couldn't care less).

And I would really like to know human spirituality in 2000 years from now. (Most of all their Tarot decks then.) - Hoping that my brain could capture it.

No, you're probably right.

Never fight about such questions with the grandson of the once leading philosopher of science (at least according to the Great Swiss Encyclopedia; okay, you might object that the author could have been nationally biased).

Though for some reason I preferred the spiteful spirits theory somehow.

Personally, I don't like spiteful spirits too much, unless they have a really good sense of humour.

 

[Michael Sternbach]

Hey Mickey, I've found something that I believe sums up your point extremely well. I hope you all enjoy it-it's not as philosophical as you make it sound, but it certainly conveys the idea !
Enjoy it !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8

What would I do without you!

Yes, the story of Deep Ford is a perfect example for what happens just when you think you have found your ultimate answer. You will need to redefine the question!!!

 

[Nikita_]

Probably you should read the books that my grandfather (an ETH professor in philosophy and mathematics) wrote about this theme. But as it might take you many millions of years to get through the dry and complex texts written in a foreign language, I will distil their quintessence out of them for you. In a nutshell:

The way is the goal! The grey matter between your ears is learning by doing, Witchey! How do you think a child makes neurological progress?

When more and more people learn to use their brain in a new way (or learn to consciously access certain apparently unused areas thereof), this will spread out exponentially via the collective unconscious connecting all of humanity. Guess what happens then?

But, to go back to granddaddy, it's quite possible that the ultimate answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything will *never* be found. Only relative answers can be found, valid in a certain context for the time being, and that's all you could comprehend anyway at any given time. Yet there is immense value to every step we master! Although sooner or later, we must continue our journey to a yet higher level of understanding, on our soul's eternal path to infinite knowledge.

Now I must admit that granddaddy didn't use such colourful esoteric terms (I guess he would have got kicked out of the university), rather, he presented his Open Philosophy in academically perfectly acceptable terminology, hoping to reach mathematicians and natural scientists. Did they get his message?

Do they realize how naïve it is to claim we are one step from a TOE (Theory of Everything) when we haven't got a clue what well over 90% of the Universe consists of? Whenever science thought it was only lacking a few more answers, actually finding them opened up a Universe of new questions, and new exploration.

Oh, and let me tell you what it will open up to this time: To a Universe in which Spirit will be acknowledged not as a function of highly organized matter but as a force in its own right.

Remember, we are at the Golden Dawn of a New Aeon (call it the age of Aquarius or of Horus, I couldn't care less).

And I would really like to know human spirituality in 2000 years from now. (Most of all their Tarot decks then.) - Hoping that my brain could capture it.



Never fight about such questions with the grandson of the once leading philosopher of science (at least according to the Great Swiss Encyclopedia; okay, you might object that the author could have been nationally biased).



Personally, I don't like spiteful spirits too much, unless they have a really good sense of humour.

Don't underestimate my ability to read German, Herr Doktor Sternbach ...I might just read your grandad's stuff and explain it to you, one of these days...

PS Alta, don't worry, mickey and I are more intimate than you think and we have an agreement; I won't complain if he calls me a witch, and he will put up with my humour-sorry, sarcasm.

 

[Nikita_]

What would I do without you!

Yes, the story of Deep Ford is a perfect example for what happens just when you think you have found your ultimate answer. You will need to redefine the question!!!

You're welcome, mickey. You know I'm always happy to be of assistance to the grandson of - who was your grandad again ??...- with some pop culture to lighten up the atmosphere.

 

[Sulis]

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[trzes]

The vast experience I have accumulated over the years, both as a client and as a reader, is that Tarot-and indeed, any other divination method- is very good at reading thoughts, intentions, and the subconscious, but not very good or reliable at predicting the future. To me, that simply means that maybe we should stop trying to use it as a predictive tool. Why that is, I have no idea, and it does drive me crazy to know that I'll never get to the bottom of this

So you have a lot of experience suggesting that tarot helps revealing what is already in our heads (the reader's and the sitter's) but no more than that. One possible approach to understand that is the idea that there might be no such thing as the devine providing extra knowledge or insights.

The only reason to assume that something devine might exist would be strong evidence for things that we otherwise couldn't explain, like information out of nowhere to predict things that we shouldn't be able to predict with scientific knowledge or normal intuition only. Basically that way "devine" is just another word for all things incomprehensible.

In short words: no evidence for weird and inexplicable extra information provided by tarot means no weird and inexplicable devine powers means a world view stripped off all this weird and inexplicable stuff and thus being more consistent and much easier to comprehend. This IS the bottom line. No need to drive you crazy in my book, quite the opposite.

 

[Michael Sternbach]

So you have a lot of experience suggesting that tarot helps revealing what is already in our heads (the reader's and the sitter's) but no more than that. One possible approach to understand that is the idea that there might be no such thing as the devine providing extra knowledge or insights.

Becoming aware of what was previously subconscious is gaining extra knowledge and insights.

The only reason to assume that something devine might exist would be strong evidence for things that we otherwise couldn't explain,

Like the creation of the Universe out of nothing, perhaps?

like information out of nowhere to predict things that we shouldn't be able to predict with scientific knowledge

Why assume that scientific knowledge and mystical insight are mutually exclusive?

or normal intuition only.

What is "normal" intuition to you?

Basically that way "devine" is just another word for all things incomprehensible.

In short words: no evidence for weird and inexplicable extra information provided by tarot means no weird and inexplicable devine powers means a world view stripped off all this weird and inexplicable stuff and thus being more consistent and much easier to comprehend. This IS the bottom line. No need to drive you crazy in my book, quite the opposite.

Why do I feel you are cutting an awful lot of corners?

 

[Mystica7]

If you leave your common sense aside, yes.

But please don't ask me now if common sense is always foolproof.

 

[aurafields]

So you have a lot of experience suggesting that tarot helps revealing what is already in our heads (the reader's and the sitter's) but no more than that. One possible approach to understand that is the idea that there might be no such thing as the devine providing extra knowledge or insights.

The only reason to assume that something devine might exist would be strong evidence for things that we otherwise couldn't explain, like information out of nowhere to predict things that we shouldn't be able to predict with scientific knowledge or normal intuition only. Basically that way "devine" is just another word for all things incomprehensible.

In short words: no evidence for weird and inexplicable extra information provided by tarot means no weird and inexplicable devine powers means a world view stripped off all this weird and inexplicable stuff and thus being more consistent and much easier to comprehend. This IS the bottom line. No need to drive you crazy in my book, quite the opposite.

I think the opposite is true. The divine makes all things more comprehensible. I think it is so called societal norms that are so much more difficult to understand. Man, so arrogant and unkind to his fellow man, over and over, repeating the same mind boggling, patterns that keep them stuck, lost, in pain , and imprisoned; that's the incomprehensible for me. I don't believe it is possible to be misled by Tarot cards, but it is clear that the cards can be misinterpreted, even by those who use them with great proficiency and skill. Tarot trips the psyche into thoughts, day dreams, and picture images, which are often misunderstood by the reader.