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Huck said:"By the mid 13th century algorithmic arithmetic was established in Italy well in advance of anywhere else in Europe, the immediate reason for this being the commercial pre-eminence of the northern Italian cities. Dissemination was slow: although by the 15th century one could learn algorithmic addition and subtraction in Germany, instruction in the arts of multiplication and division could still only be found in Italy. By the beginning of the 16th century, just before the scientific revolution, the Germans were still 200 years behind!"
"The algorithmic revolution made zero into a number by expanding the meaning of number, a process driven by expanding its use."
Well, I'm a little puzzled and I've Ifrah not at hand. But this sentence gives the riddle, that Peurbach and Regiomontanus from North of the Alps could improve some complex astronomical viewing points with responding Italian enthusiasm about it, although, as attested, being 200 years behind and possibly not able to teach multiplication and division in their own countries.
jmd said:The year is 2547, and a discussion forum is noting that the earliest extant prohibitions and news reports extant about the activities of McDonalds hamburgers occurs in Britain, Australia and France (all only very few years apart). According to this evidence, those interested in 'the facts' maintain their search for the earliest McDonalds stores in those countries.
kwaw said:Well for example Peurbach commenced and his pupil Regiomontanus completed the project of translating the Almagest with colloboration and patronage of Cardinal Bessarion; and I think perhaps the greater establishment of the new arithmetic in Italy is perhaps related to Byzantine influence, as from at least 50 years prior to the fall of constantinople there had been an influx of Greek speaking professors into Italian courts and universities; and the new arithmetic was more widely known, established and accepted among some Byzantine scholars before latin speaking ones. So this is one possible part of an explanation.
Kwaw
DoctorArcanus said:I read this thread with the greatest interest.
One thing I want to say is: I AM SORRY.
I think I understand what you all mean, and I feel sorry for not using your time and mine in the best possible way.
I found in your posts here many interesting suggestions, that I will try to use for the benefit of the ATF community, for which I feel gratitude and admiration. I would like to have more suggestions, as simple and concrete as possible. So I also have two questions for you all:
1. What can I do?
2. What can you do?
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.. I can only speak for myself ...
Like the long insufferable posts that are so far OFF TOPIC that it is real obvious the posters have no concept of the thesis.Fulgour said:...as an example of the insufferable arrogance we are shown hereabouts if we dare ask an interesting question, out of bounds...
(emphasis added)Rosanne said:…when faced with another History viewpoint, I consider the thoughtful research that has gone into that view, I weigh it up in my own mind, and most likely I will bow to your superior knowledge on the subject. If you patronise me with “this is the 'facts' and nothing else will be considered” type vehement argument- I will assign you to the 'flat earth society membership' remember my History lessons at school, chuckle cynically, and dream on...