A message from MY guardian angel

[Alta]

Only in a world where there are no critics and reviewers (like me) will I do that! I've seen the kind of stuff people can say about books, I've said some of it myself, and I don't think I could cope with that kind of criticism of my work.

I think you could. Maybe not this second, but as you get more things published and accepted, you will have a thorough enough sense of the worth of what you write to ignore opinions. Marion

 

[firemaiden]

Dear me, dear me...
Perhaps it will interest everyone to know that the tribe of germanic barbarians who famously arrived as invaders in the brittish isles in the fifth century along with saxons and jutes, to slaughter, rape and pillage, maim and kill were known as anglos because their long blond hair made some think they were angels.

Are we believing in actual angels here, people? or are we using the word angel to be a metaphor, to describe a particularly loving person? or perhaps are these angels just ways of personifying different aspects of the human psyche and inner voices?

I think it is very very very scary when someone publishes books, which codify the world of spirit into pre-sliced, individual packets of velveeta cheese. How is that different from catholic dogma? or any kind of dogma?

I should imagine that we each inhabit and are visited by a slightly different spirit world. Isn't the spiritual journey a very individual, personal thing?

 

[dolphinprincess]

I have read all of Doreen's books and have owned all of her cards at one point or another...

and I have purposely stayed out of this thread bc I had no idea what to say.. . Doreen Virtue was the author that opened me up to new ideas. It was through her books that I began to explore my own spirituality, explore the world of angels and fairies.. and eventually it led me closer to tarot (through her Oracles...).. She was the 'one' that paved the way for me...

so, initially, it was tough reading some of these comments...but what i have learned is that you cannot take *any* author and beleive *everything* he / she says... we all have our own personal belief systems and must take what feels right to us...

after again reading the comments here, i am thankful for some of the negative views of doreen - bc in the end, it made me think harder and look at some of her teachings in a totally different way.. and it made me examine all i have learned since reading her initial books - and examine what i beleive now.

i must admit, even though i like much of her stuff, i have had to shake my head in disbelief from time to time.. .

i will always be grateful to her for opening me to a whole other world.. and i will continue to enjoy her cards and certain beliefs... but i am also grateful to everyone here who took the time to point out where there are holes in her systerm.. and why some of her beliefs may be dangerous or incorrect...

it keeps us all thinking and questioning, which is what we are supposed to do, isn't it?

 

[Nevada]

i will always be grateful to her for opening me to a whole other world.. and i will continue to enjoy her cards and certain beliefs... but i am also grateful to everyone here who took the time to point out where there are holes in her systerm.. and why some of her beliefs may be dangerous or incorrect...

it keeps us all thinking and questioning, which is what we are supposed to do, isn't it?

So true. While in the end we have to make up our own minds and decide who (and what portions of what they say) to believe or accept, we can't do that fairly without hearing or reading other opinions and putting everything through a kind of filtering process. Then what's left becomes our personal beliefs. For me, this is a dynamic, fluid grouping of ideas that changes and grows as I go through my life.

Celebrate the differences.

Nevada34

 

[TemperanceAngel]

is it too late

What I mean is, is it too late for me to come in?

With a name like mine, I feel that I resonate with angels, my 'real life' name means 'white angel' Born in Oz to Scottish parents whose Scottish roots can be traced back at least 400 years. I am blonde with reddish in my hair, pale and not to over weight, but more that way than the other. I have childish features, hence the question: how long have you been reading?, is asked a lot.

Am I an Earth Angel? No, I don't think so, I don't believe that angels incarnate as humans. Is it just Doreen Virtue that has decided this? That teaching, I mean.

I think that the messages from angels that people have placed on this thread are beautiful. I love angels, firmly believe in them and own Doreen Virtue's deck, Healing With the Angels.' Just for my own fun and use. I haven't read any of her books, would like to, but find the commercialism a little bit too much for my liking.

I have had friends' who have heard Doreen speak and apperently she is amazing, inspirational and positive and this is a great thing.

But reading this thread has really raised some interesting thoughts.....hhmmmmm.....can black people dye their hair blonde and be considered angels? I don't know.

It is not in my nature to disagree, BUT I do think that, yes, any messages channeled in from angels are truly beautiful things and keep 'em coming! As for Doreen's Virtues teachings, I think that they are questionable, angels have been around for a long time before Doreen and will be around for a long time after.

That is about as disagreeable as I can get at this stage....

Thanks for the thread, it has been enlightening in sooo many ways.

XTAX

P.S. Firemaiden, I do think that the word, 'angel', gets misused quite often. In fact I had a photography exhibition a couple of years ago titled, 'Archetypal Angels' and it explored this very thought.

 

[Nevada]

Re: is it too late

It's not too late, TemperanceAngel. I think everyone else had just sort of wound down on this topic for a while. Some of us got worked up. I know I did.

But reading this thread has really raised some interesting thoughts.....hhmmmmm.....can black people dye their hair blonde and be considered angels? I don't know.

You're hitting on the ideas that got me worked up. I had the impression that some of those who posted were interpreting Doreen Virtue's definitions, since they appeared to be racially exclusive, as an expression of racial hatred. I didn't see them that way, or at least didn't want to judge them as such without knowing more. People make racially or religiously exclusive comments more often out of ignorance or out of not thinking a concept through thoroughly than they do out of outright hatred. To judge a person's entire body of work based on one such definition seemed unjust to me.

Nevada

 

[TemperanceAngel]

Re: Re: is it too late

I believe each of us has to find our own answers. I also believe that for anyone who wants them, the answers will eventually come.

Absolutely, I agree with you. I don't believe there is a 'right' way for everyone. Temperance Angel agreeing with Nevada but can't quite get the italics right!

You're hitting on the ideas that got me worked up. I had the impression that some of those who posted were interpreting Doreen Virtue's definitions, since they appeared to be racially exclusive, as an expression of racial hatred. I didn't see them that way, or at least didn't want to judge them as such without knowing more. People make racially or religiously exclusive comments more often out of ignorance or out of not thinking a concept through thoroughly than they do out of outright hatred. To judge a person's entire body of work based on one such definition seemed unjust to me.

Nevada

Did i sound racist?? I hope I didn't because I'm not. The point I was trying to make was that we generally dye our hair to suit our skin color and none of my 'black' friends ( and it's ok to say black, they let me) have died their hair blonde, usually more red or orange.

I hope people don't get the wrong idea, I suppose what I am trying to say is, it doesn't matter what shape, size or color you are, I don't believe that angels incarnate as humans (I did loads of angel research for my exhibition). But I do believe that some people, of any variety, are angelic or their kindess and love is akin to an angels.....

Phew......

XTAX

Edited to fix up my bold and italics.

 

[Nevada]

No, you didn't sound racist. Not at all!

Nevada

 

[TemperanceAngel]

Thank goodness for that!!!

I just want to add that I don't believe humans ever become angels either. Different energies, vibrations....

Thanks for clearing that up, Nevada, I was worried.....

XTAX

 

[zorya]

Re: Re: is it too late

You're hitting on the ideas that got me worked up. I had the impression that some of those who posted were interpreting Doreen Virtue's definitions, since they appeared to be racially exclusive, as an expression of racial hatred. I didn't see them that way, or at least didn't want to judge them as such without knowing more. People make racially or religiously exclusive comments more often out of ignorance or out of not thinking a concept through thoroughly than they do out of outright hatred. To judge a person's entire body of work based on one such definition seemed unjust to me.

Nevada

i don't think doreen's virtue's definitions were intended as an expression of racial hatred at all. i honestly don't think she has any idea that she is spreading stereotypes, but that does not make them any less hurtful or dangerous!

btw. i've borrowed 24 doreen virtue books from the library and have read through most of them.

temperance angel, no! you did not sound racist at all. as someone with reddish hair you might be interested in what virtue says about it... according to virtue, very often incarnated elementals have reddish hair and a celtic appearance, such as freckles or a ruddy appearance. incarnated elementals consist of " leprechauns, fairies, brownies and elves." incarnated elementals "can't stand rules and think that people who abide by them are wimps". earth angels page 54.

"they are prone to playing practical jokes,...... Part of this personality aspect comes from the elemental's distrust or dislike of humans." healing with the angels, page 155

"most incarnated angels are co-dependants (elsewhere she qualifies this as being because they love to help others), while elementals are the addicts". earth angels. page 57.

i've heard these same stereotypes since i was a small child in the 60's.